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Featured 666 - The scriptural [KJB] Truth

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  1. One Baptism

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    666 - the scriptural [KJB] Truth.

    Ezra 2:13 KJB - The children of Adonikam, six hundred sixty and six.​

    This text, among others, helps us to identify who receive the number 666 [Revelation 13:18 KJB]. They are the “children of Adonikam”. Once the name “Adonikam” is defined, we have a characteristic of his “children”.

    It is made up of two words,

    [1] “Adoni” [H113, KJC], which means “Lord” [Nehemiah 3:5, 8:10, 10:29 KJB, etc], and​

    [2] “qum” [H6965, KJC], which means “arose, rise, risen, get up, etc”, and even in the context of rising up “against”, or “enemy” [as in risen up against], see “... them that rose up against thee ...” [Exodus 15:7 KJB] and “... their enemies.” [Exodus 32:25 KJB]​

    Therefore, the name can mean, 'the number of those that are arisen up in rebellion against the Lord, are 666'.

    For other instances of this 666, may be seen in the great Image of Daniel 3:1 KJB [60x6x6], the image of a fallen (sinful, Babylonian) man, whose heart became as a beasts heart, and the issue of a death decree by a combination of state and religious authority (Daniel 3, is the violation, in type, of the first Amendment, Congress shall make no law establishing religion; whereas Daniel 6, is the violation of the next portion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof), and in the apostasy of Solomon, the height and rule of men, 6 lions on the left, 6 lions on the right, and 6 steps up to the Throne [6 – 6 – 6] in 1 Kings 10:19-20; 2 Chronicles 9:18-19 KJB, and also in the height of men's wealth, in the 666 talents of gold of Solomon in 1 Kings 10:14; 2 Chronicles 9:13 KJB, who apostatized.

    One may also begin in Genesis, with the first 6, in which both “beast” [including the serpent, the most subtil beast of the field] and “man” were created in the 6th Day; Genesis 1:24-31, 2:1-25 KJB, in which an “Image” is also mentioned.

    Additionally, the very numerals themselves in Revelation 13:18 KJB, the “... Six hundred threescore and six.” have a [koine] Greek meaning for each numeral:

    666; chi-xi-stigma χξC and thus means “chi-xi-stigma χξC Root word:​

    the G22d (agamos ἄγαμος unmarried, unwedded, single),​

    G14th (agathoergeō ἀγαθοεργέω to work good, to do good, to do well, act rightly)​

    and an obsolete letter (4742 [stigma, mark, stick, prick] as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the G5th (abba ἀββα Abba = "father") and G6th (Habel Ἅβελ Abel = "vanity (that is: transitory)")), used as numbers” [Strong's].​

    The meaning of the [koine] Greek numeral 666, is thus, an “unmarried [single] father who is marked by claiming good works, but all that he does is unlasting vanity”. See also Matthew 6:5, 23:5 KJB, etc. The very position of popery.

    In the Sanctuary, is God’s truth (Psalms 77:13 KJB), but Satan perverts every single thing in God’s complete system of truth, and therefore, Satan inverts the sanctuary in all aspect, for we are not unwise to his devices ….

    Exodus 26:35 KJB - And thou shalt set the table without the vail, and the candlestick over against the table on the side of the tabernacle toward the south: and thou shalt put the table on the north side.​

    Side note, the table of shewbread, is the symbol of the Throne of God in the Holy Place, as it was covered in Gold, had a crown [for Kings] molding, and two places for bread, 6 and 6, a place for the Father and Son on the throne, as the Son lives by the word [bread] of the Father, we are to live by the word [bread] of Jesus [John 6:57; Revelation 3:21 KJB], of which the Tree of Light in the Holy place has 6 branches [Exodus 25:32,33,35,37:18,19,21 KJB] out of the central stock, even as it represents the Holy Spirit [Revelation 1:4, 3:1, 4:5, 5:6, 22:17 KJB], and this light [2 Peter 1:19 KJB] coming from Him, is the Spirit of Prophecy [Revelation 19:10 KJB] working in holy men, as they are moved by the Holy Ghost [2 Peter 1:20-21 KJB], thus the number 6 is the number of man [Genesis 1:26-31 KJB].

    Thus Satan perverts the 666 of the Sanctuary, corrupting the Word of God, and puts in its place the word of men, and perverts the Golden branches, and the holy oil therein poured in by the Holy Spirit, for a false and lying spirit to deceive, that we may rely upon him and his ‘ministration of death’, that we may be branches separated from the true tree and vine – Christ Jesus.



    For discussion between a true protestant and a Roman Catholic.

    For a graphic, see:

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    http://pictures.amazingdiscoveries.org/ChartsGraphs/5104-Roman-Numerals-666x550.jpg

    The word “anti Christ” is also found in the so-called LXX (work of Origen in his hexapla), in Leviticus 6:22:

    Leviticus 6:22 LXX (so-called): ὁ ἱερεὺς ὁ χριστὸς ἀντ᾽ αὐτοῦ ἐκ τῶν υἱῶν αὐτοῦ ποιήσει αὐτήν νόμος αἰώνιος ἅπαν ἐπιτελεσθήσεται​

    Leviticus 6:22 KJB - And the priest of his sons that is anointed in his stead shall offer it: it is a statute for ever unto the LORD; it shall be wholly burnt.​

    The word Anti Christ is defined in Thessalonians in its two definitions, opposing and exalted into the place of:

    The next text:

    2 Thessalonians 2:4 KJB - Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.​

    The word “opposeth” is translated from [G480], “ἀντίκειμαι”, “antikeimai” and it is used variously as “opposeth” [2 Thessalonians 2:4 KJB], “adversary[ies]” [Luke 13:17, 21:15; 1 Corinthians 16:9; Philippians 1:28; 1 Timothy 5:14 KJB], and “contrary” [Galatians 5:17; 1 Timothy 1:10 KJB], basically meaning to stand up against and so oppose.

    The word “exalteth” is translated from [G5229], “ὑπεραίρομαι”, “huperairomai” and is also used in 2 Corinthians 12:7 KJB, and those two words really define “anti-christ”, used similarly here :

    2 Corinthians 12:7 KJB - And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
     
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    Jesus is also identified in scripture [KJB] as the "anointed" (Christ) man (related to #6, as per Genesis 1) in being a :

    [1] Prophet; (Deuteronomy 18:15,18-19; Hosea 12:13; Matthew 13:57, 21:11,46; Mark 6:4; Luke 4:24, 7:16, 13:33, 24:19; John 4:19,44, 6:14, 7:40, 9:17; Acts 3:22,23, 7:37, etc.)​

    [2] Priest; (type: Genesis 14:18; Hebrew 7:1,11,15; type: Exodus 28:1; Hebrews 9:7, 10:11,21, 23:11, etc.; Psalms 110:4; Zechariah 6:13; Malachi 2:7; Hebrews 2:17, 3:1, 4:14,15, 5:1,5,6,10, 6:20, 7:3,17,20,21,26, 8:1,3,4, 9:11,25; Revelation 1:10-20, etc.)

    [3] King; (Isaiah 9:7, Daniel 2:44, 7:14,27; Micah 5:2; Matthew 2:2, 21:5, 25:34,40, 27:11,29,37; Mark 15:2,9,12,18,26,32; Luke 14:31, 19:38, 23:2,3,38; John 1:49, 12:13,15, 18:37,39, 19:3,12,14,15,19,21; Acts 17:7; 1 Timothy 1:17, 6:15; Hebrews 7:2; Revelation 17:14, 19:16, etc.)
    Therefore, the Anti-Christ, having the number 666 associated, it/he also must make the same claim to Prophet, Priest and King.

    6. Prophet; ("eyes like the eyes of a man" Daniel 7:8,20, "dark sentences" Daniel 8:23; Revelation 2:20; in point of fact, the word "Vatican", from the Latin, "vatic-anus", meaning "old prophesying woman", like a witch, or since it is a religio city-state means "prophecying city", or "city of prophecy", see.
    - biblelight.net/Vatican.htm
    - biblelight.net/server.htm

    Others have linked "Vatican" to "vatis" and "khan", the divining serpent/dragon, and Rome's crest is the Red Dragon, see
    - biblelight.net/dragon.htm )

    6. Priest; (2 Corinthians 11:13-15; 2 Thessalonians 2:4; 2 Timothy 3:5; see
    - http://oi39.tinypic.com/15yvlz9.jpg

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    In point of fact we can see in Daniel 2, "iron" mixed with "clay", being statecraft and churchcraft. Or in Revelation, "war" (state) and "worship" (religion, church) or "scarlet coloured beast" (state) being ridden by the "Great Whore/woman" (apostate unclean bleeding woman/church). Or, we may go to 1 Thessalonians 5:3 and read "safety" (protection by kings, state) and "peace" (religion, gospel).

    Furthermore it is written:

    "All names which in the scriptures are applied to Christ, by virtue of which it is established that he is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope." -
    In Latin reading -

    "Secundo probatur ratione, in Scripturis fundata, nam omnia nomina, quae in Scripturis tribuuntur Christi, unde constat eum esse supra Ecclesiam, eadem omnia tribuuntur Pontifici." - cited from -- Cardinal Robert Bellarmine SJ. (Jesuit) Canonized 1930. Disputationes de Contoversiis Christianae Fidei adversus hujus temporis Haereticos, Tom. 2, Controversia Prima, De Conciliorum Auctoritate, Chap. 17 (1628 ed.), Vol. 1, page 266 - translated. -​
    http://cdigital.dgb.uanl.mx/la/1080015572_C/1080015573_T2/1080015573_21.PDF

    6. King; (Daniel 7:8,11,20,21,24,25,26, 8:11,12,23-26, 11:40-45; 2 Thessalonians 2:4; Revelation 13:1-10, ec. 17:1-18, etc.)
    Thus the anti-christ's related number (666) identifies his substitution, yea, taking the very place (Vicarivs Christi) of Christ Jesus in "earth" (Revelation 12:9,10,12,13) in each of those three places. Numerous quotations from the highest official Papal Roman sources will verify it's claims as Prophet, Priest and King in Christ's place on/in earth. In point of fact, it directs all worship to the "earth", not to Christ Jesus in Heaven, where He is now, in the Most Holy Place in the true Sanctuary in Heaven, closing the Day of Atonement for us now (Daniel 7:9-10,13,22, 8:13-14,26; Hebrews 9:3-5,28; Revelation 9:13-15, 14:6-7).
     
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    Oh good grief! Seen any UFO's lately? Did you know that President Trump is an alien from the planet Slybor?
     
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    VICARIUS FILII DEI <--has never been used as a catholic title ever.

    ELLEN GOULD WHITE

    ELLEN = L + L = 100

    Gould=U+L+D=555

    White=a double 'U' = 2 'V's +1 =11
    You can wikipedia the letter "W" In languages its still called and obviously written double V .

    100 + 555 + 11 = 666.

    Ellen G White ,the Founder of Seventh Day Adventist, name equals 666. You can't get any more accurate then one's own personal name.

    Do we Catholics believe Ellen G White the Prophetess is the Devil because her name adds up to 666?

    Nope. And we don't believe in the use of numerology or witchcraft.


    You were brought up in religion based on accusation. They don't call devil accuser for no reason.

    We still think you are our brothers and sisters despite you calling us of the devil.


    Matthew 10

    24“A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master. 25“It is enough for the disciple that he become like his teacher, and the slave like his master. If they have called the head of the house Beelzebul, how much more will they malign the members of his household!

    We don't say SDA are in league with the devil and you wont hear anyone say that of them.

    Catholics get told they are constantly exactly as scripture says they would.


    See we will not try to destroy your faith, we believe it is a gift from God. And we try to help you by pointing out your problem.

    ABORTION.


    Abortion is murder. Your SDA hospitals are murdering millions of children.

    Here is a link to official Seventh day Adventist website and teaching on abortion.

    Abortion


    SDA hides the rules by saying "termination of pregnancies". It tries to play the fence.


    Keep an eye where the money goes brother. Your not allowed to tell a woman that abortion is wrong that could be looked at as :

    "Therefore, any attempts to coerce women either to remain pregnant or to terminate pregnancy should be rejected as infringements of personal freedom."


    Look we Catholics aren't saying leave the SDA, We telling you to fix it.



    If you stop the murder of children I'll do the SDA a solid and bring cutting heads prophecy just not the way you expect.

    You got to understand what cutting heads means first:
     
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    And they really don't keep kosher either, despite their claim that they do not eat pork or the other OT prohibited foods.
     
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    The number can also be attributed to the Nero Caesar 666 as the writer was John and Nero Caesar was in his time... But go chasing rabbits if it makes you happy... Brother Glen:rolleyes:
     
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    If you will please kindly read my brief testimony in the other thread, I was born into and raised Roman Catholic for 30 years, etc.

    Now, if I may share in regards the 'apologetic' response generally proffered by Roman Catholics about 666, and the name of the messenger of the Lord [Jesus], sister E. G. White.

    1. Ellen comes from Old English, Helen, and if translated into Latin, would be something akin to Elena, Lena, etc., and means "bright, shining light", and therefore would have a different Latin Gematria.

    2. Gould, is Anglo-Saxon, between 7th-12th Cent., coming from the word "Goult" or "gold", or from the manner of the life trade. To use a Latin Gematria on an Anglo-Saxon derived name is foolish. Rather, a person would have to translate the name into Latin, then use the Latin Gematria. I did notice that the Simple, English and Hebrew Gematrias were not used on the English name and spelling in the Roman Catholic 'apologetic'.

    3. White, is an English word, not Latin, and in order to properly and correctly use the Latin Gematria, the word needs to be translated into Latin, then calculated. The word "white" could be translated into Latin by several words, Albums, Alb, or Candidus, Candida, Candidum (shining white, like the fungus), or Niveus, or Lacteus (like milk), or Canus, Cana, Canum, Purus (pure), Mundus, etc. Why was the word not translated into Latin, then calculated? Who uses a Latin language Gematria upon an English word with English spelling? An English, or Simple Gematria would be the proper Gematrias to use in this instance.

    4. Sister Ellen G. White is a woman. Antichrist is "the son [male,man] of perdition" [John 17:12; 2 Thessalonians 2:4 KJB], thus male, "his name" [Revelation 13:17 KJB], "himself", "he", "himself" [2 Thessalonians 2:4 KJB], "eyes of a man" [Daniel 7:8 KJB], even as antichrist seeks to be in the place of God/Christ (Vicarivs Christi), both given in the masculine.

    5. The position as held by antichrist, is not merely a single individual, but an entire "succession" of such individuals in that place, being "antichrists" [1 John 2:18 KJB], "man of sin" [2 Thessalonians 2:3 KJB], they being in contrast to the many individuals who being "the man of God" [2 Timothy 3:17 KJB]. Papal Rome, in it's official sources claims the "succession" for the "pontiff" position.

    6. Antichrist is also linked to state/kingdom power/rule, either "horn" [Daniel 7:8,11,20,24,25,26, 8:10-13,23-26 KJB], or "king" [Daniel 11:40-45 KJB], or "beast" [Revelation 13:1-8,12,14,15,17,18 KJB].

    7. Antichrist power was already showing signs of activity in the latter days of the Apostles [2 Thessalonians 2:7 KJB], and would grow into a great power [Daniel 7-12, Revelation 13 KJB], even world-wide power, though suffer a deadly wound [state power separated from church], and receive a healing (a false resurrection, a coming to life [Revelation 13:3,12 KJB], and come back more powerful and remain unto the second Advent of Jesus Christ in power and glory [2 Thessalonians 2:3-13 KJB], and so exist for 1,000's of years.

    8. Antichrist would also commit "blasphemy" [Daniel 7:8,11,20,25; Revelation 2:9, 13:1,6, 17:3 KJB], which is [1.] Claiming the prerogatives of God (claiming to be God, and/or stand in His place) [Matthew 26:65; Mark 14:64; John 10:33 KJB], [2.] Claiming to be able to forgive sins [Mark 2:7; Luke 5:21, 7:49 KJB] and [3.] persecuting using state power in its behalf [Daniel 7:21, 8:10-12,23-26, 11:40-45; 1 Timothy 1:13; Revelation 13:7, 17:14, etc.]

    9. It would be part of a Church-State union/amalgamation, thus being able to "war" and desires "worship" ["worshipped"; Revelation 13:4, "great whore (woman)", "war" Revelation 17:1-7,9,17 KJB], because it claims the doctrine of 'the two swords' [Church (word, Ephesians 6:17; Hebrews 4:12 KJB) and State (police, Romans 13:1-4 KJB) unified], see:

    Churchcraft & Statecraft

    Clay & Iron [Daniel 2:33-35,44,45 KJB]

    Worshippeth/worshipped/great wonders/miracles/worship & War/power over/killeth with the sword/power/causeth [Revelation 13:4,7,8,10,12,15, 14:9,11 KJB]

    Woman & Beast [Revelation 17:1-8 KJB]

    Blasphemy & Crowns [Revelation 13:1,2,5,6, 17:3,18 KJB]

    Understanding Dark Sentences & King of Fierce Countenance [Daniel 8:23 KJB]

    Exalteth & Opposeth [2 Thessalonians 2:4 KJB]

    Worshippeth & Sitteth (throne) [2 Thessalonians 2:4 KJB]

    God service & Killeth you [John 16:2 KJB]

    Peace (Gospel, Luke 2:14 KJB) & Safety (protection by king/state, Acts 5:23 KJB) [1 Thessalonians 5:3 KJB]

    10. The Simple Gematria ( for English alphabet) [A=1, B=2, C=3, ... Z=26]

    E - 5
    L - 12
    L - 12
    E - 5
    N - 14

    Sub - 48

    G - 7
    O - 15
    U - 21
    L - 12
    D - 4

    Sub - 59

    W - 23
    H - 8
    I - 9
    T - 20
    E - 5

    Sub - 65
    Total - 172

    11. English Gematria

    E - 30
    L - 72
    L - 72
    E - 30
    N - 84

    Sub - 288

    G - 42
    O - 90
    U - 126
    L - 72
    D - 24

    Sub - 354

    W - 138
    H - 48
    I - 54
    T - 120
    E - 30

    Sub - 390
    Total - 1032

    12. In medieval Latin symbols there is also the letter "O" (onze, French) = 11, and the letter "T" = 160, a "G" = 400, etc. See wikipedia "Roman Numerals".

    13. I noticed that the Roman Catholic "apologetic" attempts to say that the "W" is equal to 2 "U", and thus "U" = "V" (which is all well and true), and the Latin Gematria for "V" = 5 (again, well and good), but then states that 2"V" = (not 5 + 5), but rather is somehow worth 11 (5 + 5 + 1). Where did the extra 1 come from? Latin does not know "vv", but would say it as "X" as is proper, being equal to value 10 (thus LLVLDVV would be represented as LLVLDX, or more accurately, DCLXV = 665, not 666.). Will the Roman Catholic 'apologetic' say that because there is a double "v" an additional 1 is added to 5 + 5, but if so, then when converted to the Latin numerals in their original order is not the same to be done for the double "L" (LLVLDVV), altering the number again away from 666?

    It seems that the whole Roman Catholic 'apologetic' cannot be sustained in any serious manner.

    I pray that actual research and study is done. Whomever originated that Roman Catholic 'apologetic' ought to be tremendously embarrassed, even ashamed to have put forth something as like it.

    Please, take some time to actually go through the scriptural references that I have posted. I do want you to have truth, even the love of Him.
     
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    Using numbers to prove anything is completely ridiculous. 16+ 7 = 39 and that means it's time for dinner. Fruit cup anyone?
     
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    " ... 666 and CÆSAR NERO

    Some will suggest that the book of Revelation was written only for those living at the time, and that 666 most probably applies to Cæsar Nero, who ruled Rome from 54 to 68 A.D., rather than someone from latter centuries. This point of view, which suggests Revelation had an immediate application to the first century, rather than being prophetic, is known as preterism, and is commonly held by the Catholic Church [Jesuit formulation]. So, just how is Nero linked to 666?

    The preterist takes a relatively uncommon form of Nero's name, Nero Cæsar or Cæsar Nero, and adds an "n", resulting in Neron Cæsar. Next the Latin is transliterated into Aramaic, resulting in nrwn qsr, which when using the numeric equivalent of the letters, then adds up to 666 as follows:

    Nun = 50
    Resh = 200
    Waw = 6
    Nun = 50

    Qoph = 100
    Samech = 60
    Resh = 200 ​

    An example of this spelling has apparently been recently discovered in one of the Dead Sea scrolls. If you use the same process, but without the added "n" the result is 616. Interestingly, some early manuscripts have 616 rather than 666, but even scholars such as Irenæus [A.D. 120-202] attribute the 616 to only a copyist error (Against Heresies: Book V Chapter XXX.), "this number [666] being found in all the most approved and ancient copies" [of the Apocalypse] and asserts that "men who saw John face to face bearing their testimony" [to it - 666].

    There is a problem though with the above calculation [in regards 'Nero']. According to the rules of Jewish numerology, known as gematria, when the letter Nun appears a second time in a word, it is known as a "Final", and takes the value of 700.* So to be precise, NRWN QSR actually adds up to 1316 and not 666.

    *Source: Behind Numerology, by Shirley Blackwell Lawrence, copyright 1989, published by Newcastle Publishing Co., Inc., North Hollywood, California, ISBN 0-87877-145-X, page 41.

    So the preterist calculation which attributes 666 to Nero, however, is nothing more than a rather desperate attempt to find some likely candidate for the Antichrist other than the Papacy. ..." - VICARIUS FILII DEI 666, The Number of the Beast

    Further more, Nero, was the 5th "Augustus" [beginning with Gaius Octavius], the 6th "Caesar" [beginning with Julius], and cannot therefore be the 11th [8th] horn of Daniel 7 in any way, and especially cannot be both of the "ten", and the "another little" at the same time, coming after and amongst], and his full name being "NERO CLAVDIVS CAESAR AVGVSTVS GERMANICVS". Why is not this actually used for the Gematria? It is because it would not render the 666, as required by Romanism to avoid the stigmata [mark] of "Antichrist" - List of Roman emperors - Wikipedia

    Yet, again, why would the name/title of "Nero Caesar" [etc] need to be translated into 'Aramaic', and then computed, when Revelation was written in Koine Greek [by John the Apostle on the Isle of Patmos], speaking about the Roman [Latin] element [Iron, Daniel 2 & 7, etc.] of Revelation 13:1-8? Why is not a Greek, or a Latin, Gematria used, instead of an Aramaic?

    There is of course much more to substantiate that it does not fit Nero in any way, not the least of which is the prophetic time element of the "forty and two months" [42], being "one thousand, two hundred and threescore days" [1,260], or "time, times, and the dividing of time" [3 1/2], given minimally 7 times in scripture [KJB], Daniel 7:25, 12:7; Revelation 11:2,3, 12:6,14, 13:5; see also Luke 21:24, compared to Revelation 11:2 KJB, all being the exact same 1,260 years [AD 538 - AD 1798], as per Daniel, Revelation, Ezekiel 4:6; Numbers 14:34, and many other references.
     
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    Thank you for that as it was an interesting interpretation on Nero. The fact remains that in Johns time there wasn't one that stood out and as John says here there were many... And down through out history there have been many Anti-Christ and one cannot point the finger at just one... Anyone against the Gospel Of Christ is anti-Christ... So it remains what are you going to do with what John says here... Seems to me John is talking about his day... You may say it future but that doesn't fit even though you try to make fit... Question why would John include himself in the US if he was not part of it?... Brother Glen:)

    1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

    2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
     
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    You are welcome for the material - Matthew 10:8 KJB.

    As for the latter portion in the reply, please begin with my original post in regards the Koine Greek makeup of the number 666, as it inherently teaches about an "unmarried (single) father", which ties into my other post, in its point #5, which briefly shares about the "many" in the days of the Apostles.

    However, let us look more closely, by comparing scripture [KJB] with scripture [KJB], and consider that Paul also mentioned this, under another phraseology.

    2 Thessalonians 2:3 speaks of the "falling away", being the Great Apostasy (which is even now being repeated, as per Ecclesiastes 1:9, 3:15, etc.), compare to Daniel 7:8,11,20-21,24-26, 8:11-14,23-27, 11:21,31-45; wherein this Antichrist power -

    Daniel 8:11 - "... magnified himself even to the prince of the host ...", which words, "even to" mean to make himself equal to, or to come up to the position/place, covering the whole length, breadth or distance or time, etc., (see Isaiah 25:12, 26:5, etc.). "The prince of the host", speaks about Jesus in the position of High Priest (who is over the kingdom of priests, Royal nation, holy priesthood), see that in H8269; Isaiah 43:28 ("princes of the sanctuary"); Ezra 8:24,29, 10:5 ("chief of the priests", etc.); see also G750, G748, G749. (More detail in this later when, by the grace of God, I demonstrate that Michael is Jesus, by scripture [KJB] and historical, and even Baptist, sources.)

    Daniel 8:25 - "... by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes ...", and the word "peace" being associated with the Gospel (Luke 2:14; a corrupted one, Galatians 1:6-9), and again a standing up against (in opposition to, as an alternative High Priest) the Prince of princes (see previous remark on "prince").

    Daniel 11:36 - "... he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvelous things against the God of gods ...", notice the "exalt". "magnify', "against", but more so, notice that he would be "above every god", and this word "god" points to the priests (priesthood of believers and the rulers), see Exodus 22:28; Psalms 82:1,6, 138:1; John 10:34-35.

    More in part 2, as this was accidently posted before it was finished.
     
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    Part 2 (with apologies, as the other reply was accidently posted before it was complete, continue here from part 1)

    Daniel 11:37 - "... he shall magnify himself above all ..."; which Paul cites in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 - "Who opposeth and exalteth above all that is called God, or that is worshipped ...", again in the context of priests, thus a person would arise out of them all, being "Lord over" the flock of God, usurping it, and that position would be held (grasped) by 'successors', and thus a whole line of Antichrist, culminating in a single position over the whole church of God.

    Jesus also mentions "false Christ's", being 'pseudo-Christos' in Matthew 24:24; Mark 13:23, which were to arise.

    Paul mentions in Acts 20:29 - "... grievous wolves enter in among you ...", which is in the context of Acts 20:28 - "... over the flock ...", "overseers" (being the place/office of bishop/elders).

    Paul continues by saying, Acts 20:30 - "Also of your ownselves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.", so coming from without and from within to lead astray the flock, by taking leadership positions when the flock is asleep and not watching and praying.

    Paul gives examples in 1 Timothy 1:29, "Hymenaeus and Alexander", "blaspheme", and see in 2 Timothy 2:17, "... their word will eat as doth a canker (cancer): of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus ...", of which context is in 2 Timothy 2:15-16,18, about the word of God, prophane and vain babblings, increase unto more ungodliness, concerning the truth have erred.

    2 Timothy 3:1-9, speaks about "... in the last days ...", "... blasphemers ...", having a "... form of Godliness, but denying the power thereof ...", "... creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with diverse lusts ...", which "houses" are Churches, Acts 2:46, 20:20, 1 Timothy 5:13, and the "women" are the foolish (Matthew 25), like Eve, who fell, listening to that wicked one who snuck into the garden, while Adam, the priest head of the garden homeschool, was not aware, Eve, then fell prey to diverse lusts; flesh, eyes, pride of life (1 John 2:6).

    1 Timothy 4:1-5, "... in the latter times some shall depart from the faith ...", which is a "falling away" (2 Thessalonians 2:3), see also Luke 8:13, because of a 'drawing away' (like Eve from the side of Adam), in Acts 5:37; James 1:13-15; Genesis 4:5-8; Job 15:35; Psalms 7:14; Isaiah 59:4; Romans 5:12-21, 6:21-23.

    "antichrists" in 1 John 2:18-19 is contextually linked to 1 John 2:20-24,26, which when seen in all the above is more clearly explained, though I will have to come to what the text means by denying that Jesus "c(a)me in the flesh", in a later post. Very serious business that. Roman Catholicism does that more than any other system of theology and practice on earth. To be demonstrated later.

    Paul clearly spoke of the "mystery of iniquity" (lawless, sin) that was already at working in his own day, even as Daniel shows it would (Daniel 11:21, etc), and that it was already the "last time" (being the last 2 Cosmic Week days (days 5 & 6), the last 2,000 years from Christ Jesus. ( the Great Cosmic Week is 6,000 years of Gospel work, and 1,000 years (in Heaven) of Rest (being the Great 7th Day, the Day of the Lord, the Last Day); see Revelation 20; Isaiah 24; Genesis 1; 2 Peter 3:8; Isaiah 46:9,10; Matthew 13:35, etc.

    2 John 1:7 - "... many deceivers are entered into the world ...", "... deceiver and Antichrist ...", see also 1 John 2:22, and 1 John 4:3, "... the spirit of antichrist ..."

    "Anti -" in scripture [KJB], had a fee meanings, one of which means

    [1]. "... in the room (position/place) of ...", see Matthew 2:22, wherein Herod Archelaus, ruled "in the room of" his father. See also, "in the room of" in 2 Samuel 19:13; 1 Kings 2:35, 5:1; 2 Kings 23:34; 2 Chronicles 6:10, 26:1. See also the phrase, "in the stead (standing/place) of" in Genesis 22:13; Jeremiah 29:26, and see also the phrase "anointed in his stead" in Leviticus 6:22.

    "Anti -", also includes the meaning of "against", "opposing", see G480, the Koine Greek [Tr.] "antikeimai", meaning "adversaries", in Luke 13:17, 21:15; 1 Corinthians 16:9; Philippians 1:28. See also "contrary" in Galatians 5:17; 1 Timothy 1:10. See also "adversary" in 1 Timothy 5:14. See also "opposeth" in 2 Thessalonians 2:4. See also "Antioch" (meaning 'driven against') and see also "Antipas" (meaning 'against the (false) father' iow, against the one calling themselves 'father' over the churches') in Revelation 2:13, and see also "Antipatris" in Acts 23:31, etc.

    The prefix "Anti -", is seen in many words throughout the scripture [KJB], see G464 unto G503 in KJC, oftentimes meaning, "oppose", "against", "resist", "adversary", "opposite (to)", etc.

    Antichrist is again, as noted before, a Church & State unified position, see Daniel 11:45

    Churchcraft & Statecraft

    "tabernacles" & "palace"
     
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    Once the "beast" from the "sea" [Revelation 13:1, etc.] is identified from scripture [KJB], then it's "mark" is also able to be identified, with clarity.

    In short (details upon request), the "beast" from the "sea" [Revelation 13:1, etc.] is Papal Rome. It's "mark" (identified from scripture [KJB], history and their own official proclamations), is that of it's blasphemous claim to "think" that it could, through human "reason" (which they erroneously claim is unfallen), be able to "change times and laws" [Daniel 7:25 KJB] of the Most High God (The Ten Commandments, Exodus 20:1-17, especially in that singular and Holy commandment, the fourth, dealing with God's Holy law of time, the 7th day the Sabbath of the Lord thy God, Exodus 20:8-11), and thus its stated prerogative of, "... The [Roman Catholic] Church is above the Bible; and this transference of Sabbath observance from Saturday to Sunday is proof positive of that fact. ..."(1.)

    (1.) The Catholic Record of London, Saturday, September 1st, 1923 edition, Ontario, Canada, Volume XLV, #2342, appearing on page 4, section "Sabbath Observance", Column 2, -- Editor -- Rev. James T. Foley, D.D. ... The CATHOLIC RECORD has been approved and recommended by Archbishops Falconio and Sbaretti, late Apostolic Delegates to Canada, the Archbishops of Toronto, Kingston, Ottawa, and St. Boniface, the Bishops of London, Hamilton, Peterborough and Ogdensburg, N.Y., and the Clergy throughout the Dominion.", Column 1 - http://biblelight.net/Sources/Catholic-Record-6-shade.gif

    Therefore, Roman Catholicism's "mark", is their claim to such authority as to legislate, to the world, its own law of morality, Sunday being it's utmost symbol (identifying "mark", found in the actions (hand) and thinking/teaching (forehead)) of it's blasphemous claim.

    The Papacy ties it's Sunday morality to the natural disasters (today called "climate change", "global warming", etc.), and blames the desecration of Sunday for the increase of such things. Read the Papal encyclical, "Laudato Si", for direct evidence (to be cited and highlighted later, as God's providence allows).

    Sister Ellen G. White (the messenger of the Lord) shewed these things over 100 years ago, even of which, the scriptures [KJB] already said. Notice, from the book. The Great Controversy:

    "... [Page 589] Satan works through the elements also to garner his harvest of unprepared souls. He has studied the secrets of the laboratories of nature, and he uses all his power to control the elements as far as God allows. When he was suffered to afflict Job, how quickly flocks and herds, servants, houses, children, were swept away, one trouble succeeding another as in a moment. It is God that shields his creatures, and hedges them in from the power of the destroyer. But the Christian world have shown contempt for the law of Jehovah; and the Lord will do just what he has declared that he would, he will withdraw his blessings from the earth, and remove his protecting care from those who are rebelling against his law, and teaching and forcing others to do the same. Satan has control of all whom God does not especially guard. He will favor and prosper some, in order to further his own designs, and he will bring trouble upon others, and lead men to believe that it is God who is afflicting them.​

    While appearing to the children of men as a great physician who can heal all their maladies, he will bring disease and disaster, until populous cities are reduced to ruin and [Page 589-590] desolation. Even now he us at work. In accidents and calamities by sea and by land, in great conflagrations, in fierce tornadoes and terrific hail-storms, in tempests, floods, cyclones, tidal waves, and earthquakes, in every place and in a thousand forms, Satan is exercising his power. He sweeps away the ripening harvest, and famine and distress follow. He imparts to the air a deadly taint, and thousands perish by the pestilence. These visitations are to become more and more frequent and disastrous. Destruction will be upon both man and beast. "The earth mourneth and fadeth away," "the haughty people ... do languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant." [Isaiah 24:4,5.]​

    And then the great deceiver will persuade men that those who serve God are causing these evils. The class that have provoked the displeasure of Heaven will charge all their troubles upon those whose obedience to God's commandments is a perpetual reproof to transgressors. It will be declared that men are offending God by the violation of the Sunday-sabbath, that this sin has brought calamities which will not cease until Sunday observance shall be strictly enforced, and that those who present the claims of the fourth commandment, thus destroying reverence for Sunday, are troubles of the people, preventing their restoration to divine favor and temporal prosperity. Thus the accusation urged of old against the servant of God will be repeated, and upon grounds equally well established. "And it came to pass, when Ahab saw Elijah, that Ahab said unto him, Art thou he that troubleth Israel? And he answered, U have not troubled Israel; but thou, and thy father's house, in that ye have forsaken the commandments of the Lord, and thou hast followed Baalim." [1 Kings 18:17,18.]. As the wrath of the people shall be excited by false charges, they will pursue a course toward God's ambassadors very similar to that which apostate Israel pursued toward Elijah. ..." - The Great Controversy, pages 589-590​

    Think it impossible? Think no such 'rain' would come? (As it was in the days of Noe ...), brothers and sisters, it is already upon you, as foretold:

    "SABBATH-BREAKING 'CAUSED TSUNAMI'

    Christian minister calls disaster 'divine visitation' on Lord's day -- Published: 02/13/2005 at 4:00 PM [photo: Rev. John MacLeod (photo Grampian TV); of the Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland]

    "... A Christian minister claims the tsunami of Sunday, Dec. 26, killing at least 160,000 people, was directly result of "pleasure seekers" breaking God's Sabbath. ..."

    "... It has to be noted that the wave arrived on the Lord's day, the day God set apart to be observed the world over as a holy resting from all employments and recreations that are lawful on other days. ..." - Sabbath-breaking ’caused tsunami’
    This is not isolated, see for yourself, through several years of documented news archives (the end of all things is upon you brothers and sisters. Do you reflect the lovely image of Jesus? John 14:15; Exodus 20:6 KJB) - http://www.markofthebeast.net/page3.htm
     
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    They call it 'climate change', 'global warming', 'market collapse', 'terrorism', but it is Biblically [KJB] called

    Luke 21:25 KJB - And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

    Luke 21:26 KJB - Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
    What is that 'mark' of antichrist [[Greek] Anti Christos - [Latin] Vicarivs Christi]]?

    "... Sunday as a Mark of Christian Unity ...

    ... In order to fully appreciate Sunday as a mark of Christian unity we must expand our definition of unity." - Sunday as a Mark of Christian Unity
    Again:

    "... Keeping stores open on Sunday is not beneficial for society: Pope Francis

    Pope Francis says opening businesses on Sundays is not beneficial for society because the priority should be 'not economic but human,' and that the stress should be on families and friendships, not commercial relationships. ..." - Pope Francis: Take Sundays off
    Again:

    "... You need & deserve a secular sabbath ...

    ... on Sunday afternoon ...

    ... Perhaps it’s no surprise that more and more people, whatever their religion — or lack of religion — are turning to the ancient idea of the Sabbath. Even God, after all, rested on the seventh day. ...

    ... But perhaps the best luxury of all is one day off every seven. ...

    ... The only word in the Ten Commandments for which the adjective “holy” is used, let’s not forget, is the Sabbath. ..." - Pico Iyer: You need & deserve a secular sabbath
    Again:

    "... The Pope’s powerful encyclical calls for a common response to the critical threat climate change poses to our common home. His plea for all religions to work together reflects the urgency of the challenge. ... The devastating impacts of climate change – like heat waves, damaging floods, coastal sea level rise and historic droughts – are already taking place, threatening the habitat all humans and other creatures depend on to survive. We have a responsibility to meet this challenge and prevent the worst impacts. ..." - We're sorry, that page can't be found.

    "... [President Obama] I welcome His Holiness Pope Francis's encyclical, and deeply admire the Pope's decision to make the case - clearly, powerfully, and with the full moral authority of his position - for action on global climate change. ... I believe the United States must be a leader in this effort ... it is my hope that all world leaders--and all God's children--will reflect on Pope Francis's call to come together to care for our common home." - Statement by the President on Pope Francis’s Encyclical

    Consider, even Francis's encyclical Laudato Si, in regards 'climate change' and 'Sunday sacredness' and destructions to come - Laudato si' (24 May 2015) | Francis

    "... Doomsday predictions can no longer be met with irony or disdain ...",

    "... Is it reasonable and enlightened to dismiss certain writings simply because they arose in the context of religious belief? ..."​
     
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    Again:

    "... Let's make Sunday, a day of rest, for God's sake. ...

    ... This is what Sabbath is about. It creates the space in our lives for us to remember who we are. To remember that we are players in a different story.

    Americans work hard. Maybe too hard.

    This is an invitation to Jews, Hindus, Muslims, Atheists, Agnostics, Buddhists, and Christians.

    One day a week. Rest. For God’s sake. ..." - Let's make Sunday a day of rest, for God’s sake

    What did sister White [the messenger of the LORD] say years ago?

    "... Foreign nations will follow the example of the United States. Though she leads out, yet the same crisis will come upon our people in all parts of the world. ..." - Last Day Events; Page 135 & Testimonies for the Church, Volume 6; Page 395
    The Great Controversy again:

    "... [Page 570] If we desire to understand the determined cruelty of Satan, manifested for hundreds of years, not among those who never heard of God, but in the very heart and throughout the extent of Christendom, we have only to look at the history of Romanism. Through this mammoth system of deception the prince of evil achieves his purpose of bringing dishonor to God and wretchedness to man. And as we see how he succeeds in disguising himself, and accomplishing his work through the leaders of the church, we may better understand why he has so great antipathy to the Bible. If that book is read, the mercy and love of God will be revealed; it will be seen that he lays upon men none of these heavy burdens. All that he asks is a broken and contrite heart, a humble, obedient spirit. ...

    ... The Romish Church now presents a fair front to the world, [Page 570-571] covering with apologies her record of horrible cruelties. She has clothed herself in Christ-like garments; but she is unchanged. Every principle of popery that existed in past ages exists today. The doctrines devised in the darkest ages are still held. Let none deceive themselves. The popery that Protestants are now so ready to honor is the same that ruled the world in the days of the Reformation, when men of God stood up, at the peril of their lives, to expose her iniquity. She possesses the same pride and arrogant assumption that lorded it over kings and princes, and claimed the prerogatives of God. Her spirit is no less cruel and despotic now than when she crushed out human liberty, and slew the saints of the Most High.

    Popery is just what prophecy declared that she would be, the apostasy of the latter times. [2 Thessalonians 2:3, 4.] It is a part of her policy to assume the character which will best accomplish her purpose; but beneath the variable appearance of the chameleon, she conceals the invariable venom of the serpent. “We are not bound to keep faith and promises to heretics,” she declares. Shall this power, whose record for a thousand years is written in the blood of the saints, be now acknowledged as a part of the church of Christ?

    It is not without reason that the claim has been put forth in Protestant countries, that Catholicism differs less widely from Protestantism than in former times. There has been a change; but the change is not in the papacy. Catholicism indeed resembles much of the Protestantism that now exists, because Protestantism has so greatly degenerated since the days of the reformers.

    As the Protestant churches have been seeking the favor of the world, false charity has blinded their eyes. They do not see but that it is right to believe good of all evil; and as the inevitable result, they will finally believe evil of all good. Instead of standing in defense of the faith once delivered to the saints, they are now, as it were, apologizing to Rome ..." - The Great Controversy 1888; Page 570-571, selected portions
    No? Oh yes:

    Romanism &


    Lutherans - From Conflict to Communion. Lutheran Catholic Common Commemoration of the Reformation in 2017. Report of the Lutheran-Roman Catholic Commission for Unity (2013)

    Anglicans - 'Catholic' confession is good for the soul - says Archbishop of Canterbury

    Waldenses - Pope Francis Asks Forgiveness For Catholic Church's Persecution Of Waldensians | HuffPost

    Evangelicals [Tony Palmer [Jesuit], Kenneth Copeland, etc] - The Pope’s great Evangelical gamble | CatholicHerald.co.uk

    State [Jerry Brown [Jesuit]] - INTERVIEW: Jerry Brown: Learning to Live with Our Limits

    lookup Roman Catholic[ism] and Supreme Court, House and Senate

    More:

    "... But not one is made to suffer the wrath of God until the truth has been brought home to his mind and conscience, and has been rejected. There are many who have never had an opportunity to hear the special truths for this time. The obligation of the fourth commandment has never been set before them in its true light. He who reads every heart, and tries every motive, will leave none who desire a knowledge of the truth, to be deceived as to the issues of the controversy. The decree is not to be urged upon the people blindly. Every one is to have sufficient light to make his decision intelligently.

    The Sabbath will be the great test of loyalty; for it is the point of truth especially controverted. When the final test shall be brought to bear upon men, then the line of distinction will be drawn between those who serve God and those who serve him not. While the observance of the false sabbath in compliance with the law of the State, contrary to the fourth commandment, will be an avowal of allegiance to a power that is in opposition to God, the keeping of the true Sabbath, in obedience to God’s law, is an evidence of loyalty to the Creator. While one class, by accepting the sign of submission to earthly powers, receive the mark of the beast, the other, choosing the token of allegiance to divine authority, receive the seal of God. [See Appendix, note 13.]

    Heretofore those who presented the truths of the third angel’s message have often been regarded as mere alarmists. Their predictions that religious intolerance would gain control in the United States, that church and State would unite to persecute those who keep the commandments of God, have been pronounced groundless and absurd. It has been confidently declared that this land could never become other than what it has been, the defender of religious freedom. But as the question of enforcing Sunday observance is widely agitated, the event so long doubted and disbelieved is seen to be approaching, and the third message will produce an effect which it could not have had before. ..." - The Great Controversy 1888; Page 605​
     
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    The title of the thread (thus also the subsequent OP) is - "666 - the scriptural [KJB] truth".

    Now, when persons say, "scripture", "scriptural", etc, to me, I generally have no idea what they, themselves, mean by those words, as they generally never define, or demonstrate what they are talking about, when they say those words/things.

    Therefore, I was simply defining from the start (title & OP), that when I use those terms/words ("scripture", "scriptural", etc.), in identifying the 666, etc., I mean specifically the King James Bible, which is, the word of God in English.

    I hope that this answer was helpful to you, and clarified my specific choice of wording for you.

    For further details on why the KJB, follow that which is given on my profile page, and select "The KJB vindicated" section.
     
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    No worries brother, thank you for asking the question. It gives me a chance to share about the KJB, in a small way, in any case. Back to the OP.
     
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