Well said!
A little "end time" confusion (Who is leaving?)
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by menageriekeeper, Nov 13, 2011.
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And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron:
and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Of course, all the contemporary historians of the first century (like Josephus) somehow missed "recording this event". -
Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Look up,sun moon and stars in scripture...it is used several times,for change of Goverment,or rule.
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Verse 2:38 of Joel reads as follows;
And it shall come to pass afterward, [that] I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
After what? Well you have to read the passages from 2:1 through 2:27 to see what those things are and they have not happened yet. Israel has not had these things happen yet, but they will in the future after Messiah returns. -
asterisktom Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Still future, eh? By your admission, this also would be not happening yet.
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asterisktom Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
One of the best Bible study tools that have benefited me, if I can even call it a tool, is merely studying out how the inspired New Testament writers used the inspired Old Testament writings. Studying these out will keep a person busy for a very long time. There is such a rich gold mine in this one mode of study. -
And it shall come to pass afterward, [that] I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
After what? Well you have to read the passages from 2:1 through 2:27 to see what those things are and they have not happened yet. Israel has not had these things happen yet, but they will in the future after Messiah returns. -
Acts 15:13-21
13. And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:
14. Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
15. And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
16. After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
17. That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
18. Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
In an aside: I wonder how those "Gospel of Paul" people handle those Gentiles that Peter preached to; after a little persuasion by God! -
We must also conclude that since the moon has not literally turned to blood yet, then salvation has not come to men. The very next verse states that this must happen before we can be saved by calling upon Christ in faith, or do you read a pause in time or some other cryptic language between the lines? :rolleyes:
Please explain how your system accounts for this Biblical chronology of events.
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. (Act 2:20-21)
"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken"
"And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken."
"And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring" -
Martin Marprelate Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Perhaps this may be helpful.
http://marprelate.wordpress.com/2009/12/22/the-lord-jesus-christ-king-priest-and-judge/
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asterisktom Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Earth Wind and Fire Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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asterisktom Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
I especially like the writings of Riesinger, particularly those that deal with the Covenants.
By way of clarification, here is an article I wrote in 2006 when I realized that I was an adherent of NCT. It is a defense of Riesinger against unfair charges leveled against him and by none other than RC Sproul's Tabletalk magazine:
http://asterisktom.xanga.com/510738968/new-covenant-theology-good-teaching-gets-a-bad-rap---and-a-bad-rep/ -
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Martin Marprelate Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
'Many [deceivers] shall come in My name.' True then; true now.
'Wars and rumours of wars.' True then; true now. 'But the end is not yet.'
'Nation will rise against nation.' True then; true now.
'Famines, pestilences and earthquakes.' True then; true now.'
'Many will be offended and betray one another.' True then; true now.
'Many false prophets will rise up.' True then; true now.
'And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold' True then; true now.
'But he who endures to the end shall be saved.' True then; true now.
The events of AD 70 changed nothing for those living outside of Judea. Christ was reigning then and is reigning now in the midst of [His] enemies' and it is with 'spiritual awareness' that 'we see Jesus...crowned with glory and honour...' and 'look forward to the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ' (Titus 2:13) They were looking forward to it then; we look forward to it now.
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beameup said: ↑ArmageddonClick to expand...
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asterisktom Well-Known MemberSite SupporterMartin Marprelate said: ↑The events of AD 70 changed nothing for those living outside of Judea.Click to expand...
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