Airhead? From someone who has maintained and is in the same camp as the "faith is the gift spoken of in Ephesians 2" group? At least you are coming around to the truth found in the greek that pas refers back to the whole of "by grace you are saved through faith". Is there any question why you are called a troll, btw?
A Question for Arminians (or no-name theology believers)
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by glfredrick, Mar 23, 2011.
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GL, JD, I didn't mean to just drop out of the conversation. Last time I looked, there was NO conversation. Of course that was two days ago before GL posted on page 12.
Today started out bad and continues to be not very good. I can't concentrate enough at the moment to respond coherently or for that matter comprehend what you are saying. Hopefully, I can do so later this evening. Otherwise I'll come back as soon as I can. -
Read THIS, maybe it will help... -
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That would make James (and by default, God) a liar, for didn't he pen that the demons also believe? Negates a lot of other Scripture as well.
Jam 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. -
Faith without deeds
James 2:
Faith and Deeds
14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”
Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless[Some early manuscripts dead ]? 21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,”[Gen. 15:6 ] and he was called God’s friend. 24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.
25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead. -
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Romans 6:22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. -
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Romans 4:
4 Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. 5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. 6 David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
7 “Blessed are those
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the one
whose sin the Lord will never count against them.”[ Psalm 32:1,2]
John 6:45
It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me.
John 14:24
Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.
Matthew 11:29
Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
It all starts with trust and that is what the prophets told us before His coming to prepare us. Jesus teaches us what to believe and how to believe. We can't do anything or have life without His word. We must listen and learn just as we are dead in sin and He will give us life eternal. -
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The only difference between those in heaven and those in hell is their faith. (saving faith) I could list dozens of scripture which indicate that unbelief (lack of faith) is why men perish. Do I need to do so? -
I think day's chaos is over. (I hope) I still have work to accomplish but, I didn't have to drive to Atlanta to pick my husband up so the day did get better! I appreciate the prayers.
All quotes are from posts numbers 114-115 by GLFrederick.
Act 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
I said I get called a universalist, not that I am one. I'm not Arminian either. But I get called one or the other or both so often that I feel led to live up to my reputation. :D (which means I'm being sarcastic every time I use either word to describe myself)
Since it only takes example to disprove a theory, how about this (even though I know you dislike proof texting):
Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not.
Was it God's will that Israel rebel? Or did God's will come about in spite of their rebellion?
Yes, there are many examples of God electing people to certain positions of greater usefulness to His purposes, but all were already believers (or at least sought to do God's will, even if mistaken in how to do that. ie Paul). I don't find an example of an nonbeliever elected/forced to do anything, but what they were already bent toward doing. ie Pharoh or Nebuchadnezer (sp).
I'm being interupted so more later.....
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