I Cor. 3:11 ff. Also read the passage about being beaten with many stripes. It's there.
Gotta' run for now. Bye all, till sometime later.
Ed
A.W. Tozer on the JSOC and Outer Darkness
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by BrianReimer, Jul 28, 2007.
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This is basic stuff. Why do you guys have such a hard time with it? -
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If there is no potential for condemnation then there is no reason to live right now. Despite Scripture saying you can only serve one master your theology says in fact I can serve myself without any fear of consequences other than what may be a natural result in this life oh and if I'm bad enough God might take me out a little early so I can enjoy my paradise pie a little sooner.
Man what a deal. No wonder this is the majority view! You get to have your cake and eat the whole thing in one setting and get a new cake every day. -
No, those who are in Christ are NOT condemned. Are you denying that?
Why don't you do a study on reward and loss of rewards? There will be some who barely escape hell. They will go to heaven, but they will have no rewards. There will be deep regret for what they could have done, but didn't. Others will receive great rewards for their faithful service. This is a serious matter that you should not be so flippant about. -
"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." - Romans 8:1
...time in, please proceed.
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2. Those who say because we are now free in Christ and face no condemnation, does not understand salvation and sanctification.
4. True Christianity, in no way, promotes antinominianism. An abuse of Christianity does.
5. How can we separate the believer's responsibility, when the bible doesn't? -
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2. The very thing you are accusing others of is the very thing you are promoting. Has that been lost upon you? -
One thing that always seems to get left out of all this is the power of the Holy Spirit. JJump has said many times that being born of the Spirit doesn't mean there will any change. :eek: According to him, many who are born again experience zero change in their thoughts, actions or desires.
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The gospel of the kingdom requires life-long obedience for salvation. That's works no matter how you draw it up.
I laid that out in an earlier post.
Works can only enter the picture AFTER everlasting life has been received. And the works are a choice. You can either do them and receive the consequences for your obedience or you can choose not to do them and you will receive the consequences for your actions.
But works have NOTHING, ZERO, ZILCH, NADA to do with everlasting life NOTHING. Not prior to, not during nor afterward. -
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There is ALWAYS a change. You are dead and then brought to life. That is a HUGE change. However it is true that there may or may not be significant and lasting change in thoughts and action. I think a lot of that has to do with culture, but that's a different topic. -
Punitive?
Comments on the punitive aspect? -
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