On and on they go, hurling insults right and left, shouting "taint so" but providing no support for the misrepresentation asserted.
First we get the old switcheroo, the verse presents the influence the gospel had on some of the Gentiles, and the nonsense purveyors change the subject to the supernatural action of God performing salvation. This is all they have, insults, change of subject, and absurdity.
Anyone can make up stuff by reading irresistible grace into Acts 13:48, but it is no where to be found in the text. No need to ignore the actual text. Or ignore the lexiconal word meaning. Or ignore how the word is sometimes translated. Verse 46 tells us that some Jews rejected the gospel's direction to eternal life. In verse 48 we see some Gentiles were influenced (acted upon) by Paul's gospel direction to eternal life, and therefore they believed. Supernatural enablement is no where to be found.
But look at their effort, they read irresistible grace into the text, and then defend that malfeasance by pointing to the false theology of total spiritual inability.
Tasso is never used to mean predestination, it is always used to convey being directed to something.
Bottom line, there is no support anywhere in scripture for the bogus doctrines (TULI) of the TULIP. Actus 13:48 provides no support for irresistible grace, but it does support the doctrine of the gospel being the power of God for salvation.
False theology is poured into scripture by misinterpreting ambiguous text. But by allowing scripture to tell us how tasso is used to convey being directed, the actual message is discerned. As many as were directed to eternal life believed.
Acts 13:48
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by SheepWhisperer, Aug 21, 2017.
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Once again, here are the places where "tasso" in various grammatical forms, is used in scripture:
1) Matthew 28:16 with the NASB translating it as "designated." Here the idea is the disciples went to the location designated by Jesus. Thus they took the direction.
2) Acts of the Apostles 13:48 with the NASB translating it as "appointed." Here the idea is some of the Gentiles that heard the gospel's direction to eternal life from Paul believed.
3) Acts of the Apostles 15:2 with the NASB translating it as "determined." Here the idea is a group agreed upon sending Paul. Obviously Paul mutually agreed to go, he took the direction.
4) Acts of the Apostles 22:10 with the NASB translating it as "appointed." Here Jesus tells Paul to go and and learn what Paul has been directed to do. And again, Paul agrees and goes and learns.
5) Acts of the Apostles 28:23 with the NASB translating it as "set." Here a group had "set" a day for Paul and thus once again they mutually agreed to accept the direction to meet on that day.
6) Romans 13:1 with the NASB translating it as "established." Here the idea is God directed that governmental authority for the benefit of the governed.
7) 1 Corinthians 16:15 with the NASB translating it as "devoted." Here the idea is that the a group has set themselves to the task of ministry, yet another mutually agreed upon direction.
As you can see, tasso means to agree mutually, as in to believe in accordance with the gospel's direction to eternal life.
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This post, while dealing with the meaning of tasso, is a little off the beaten path. Sometimes a debate occurs within the body of believers about God predestining the Third Reich. To say this evil authority was ordained (predestined) is difficult to accept, and so people look at Romans 13:1 to see if the actual message is not that God ordained the Third Reich.
Here is a literal word for word philosophy translation:
- Every - person - being set under - superior - authorities
- for - there is - no - authority - if - not - from - God
- and - authorities - that be - are - by direction - of God.
So we are under God and under the authorities from God. But was the Third Reich from God or in accordance with the directions for authorities given by God? Nope.
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Isaiah 32:6
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Yet another taint so and Van is ungodly for saying so post. This is all they have folks.
There is no support in scripture for the bogus doctrines (TULI) of the TULIP. The gospel is the power of God for salvation.
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Yet again, deliberate misrepresentation on display. They suppress the truth.
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Vanology is the great Truth-Suppressor.
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Notice the endless effort to charge me with their malfeasance. There is no support in scripture for the bogus doctrines (TULI) of the TULIP. The gospel is the power of God for salvation.
Returning to the topic of Acts 13:48. The best translation of the Greek word has been shown to be directed. Tasso is never used to mean predestination, it is always used to convey being directed to something. Therefore
As many as were directed to eternal life believed. Paul's gospel presentation provided direction to eternal life, and as many as were influenced by that direction believed. -
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Notice the lack of reference to any verse, post, etc. They have been shown to be wrong and ignore the evidence, so... they charge me with their malfeasance. Compare my post #82, with their posts #84, 86 and 88.
Returning to the topic of Acts 13:48. The best translation of the Greek word has been shown to be directed. Tasso is never used to mean predestination, it is always used to convey being directed to something. Therefore
As many as were directed to eternal life believed. Paul's gospel presentation provided direction to eternal life, and as many as were influenced by that direction believed. -
LOL, so predictable...
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Three more ad homenim posts. A doctrine supported by fallacy should be shunned.
Returning to the topic of Acts 13:48. The best translation of the Greek word has been shown to be directed Therefore
As many as were directed to eternal life believed. Paul's gospel presentation provided direction to eternal life, and as many as were influenced by that direction believed.
Since there is no actual support in scripture for the bogus doctrines TULI of the TULIP, ambiguous translations are used to pour mistaken doctrine into the text. Case in point, the KJV mistranslation of Acts 13:48.. Tasso is never used to mean predestination, it is always used to convey being directed to something. -
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Ok, I don't think anyone answered this question for me. In the Middle English manuscript below, how does "concupiscence" become "ordeyned" in a man? Just a simple answer would suffice.
With us, as to temptacioun, which peyne
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Highte concupiscence./ And this concupiscence,
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whan it is wrongfully disposed
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Or ordeyned in man, it maketh hym coveite,
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By coveitise of flessh, flesshly synne, by sighte
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Of his eyen as to erthely thynges, and eek
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Coveitise of hynesse by pride of herte./
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Now, as for to speken of the firste coveitise,
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That is concupiscence, after the lawe of oure
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Now [Edited: Name calling] charges SW with guilt tripping after [Edited: Name calling] posted post #84. See a pattern? Whatever malfeasance they are engaged in, they charge that malfeasance to others.
Doctrines supported by logical fallacies such as the TULI should be shunned.
Returning to the topic of Acts 13:48. The best translation of the Greek word has been shown to be directed Therefore the last part of Acts 13:48 should be understood as "As many as were directed to eternal life believed. Paul's gospel presentation provided direction to eternal life, and as many as were influenced by that direction believed.
Since there is no actual support in scripture for the bogus doctrines TULI of the TULIP, ambiguous translations are used to pour mistaken doctrine into the text. Case in point, the KJV mistranslation of Acts 13:48.. Tasso is never used to mean predestination, it is always used to convey being directed to something. -
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