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Adam and Eve

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by webdog, May 11, 2006.

  1. doulous

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    webdog said:

    All is fair in love, war and theological debate. That was from your opening post. It has already been proven by standingfirm and I that marriage was, indeed, instituted in the Garden (Genesis 2:24).
     
  2. MRCoon

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    Just to stir up the muddy water and make it even murkier [​IMG]

    Do we get 'assigned' to the man or woman that God intended for us to marry? Chances are some of people have married the wrong spouse contrary to God's guidance/plan. Just as Adam had one specific woman created specifically for him so does this mean we all have a saved spouse that we will finally be together with?
     
  3. doulous

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    What in the world are you talking about? We're not married in heaven, hence no need to be assigned to anyone save Christ.
     
  4. MRCoon

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    Why would you conclude that God's creation of Adam or Eve was an earthly purpose only and not a means of proper fellowship with God? I meant 'assignment' as Adam and Eve were designed to each other...without using our human term of 'marriage'. I really could care less about being married in heaven but was just adding to the discussion but thanks for making your opinion above mine ;)
     
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    MrCoon,

    It is my belief that if man would not go chasing after a woman, or woman after a man, that God will put one in the man's path for him for the purpose of marriage.

    God did not create Eve and tell Adam, 'There's a woman wandering around out there, go get her.' No, He brought the woman to the man.

    I believe divorces would be non-existent if man waited on the Lord when it came to marriage.
     
  6. Me4Him

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    In the resurrection/MK, we neither marry or given in marriage and we will remember this earth, but after the MK/GWT and on the New earth, all "former things" will be erased from our memory.

    Re 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

    As part of our "conforming to Jesus's image", who was with God from the beginning, for all we'll know, we too were with God from the beginning.

    But this bring up another problem.

    Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end,

    what is this "increase", People, if so, where do they come from???

    Adam/Eve were told to "multiply" before they sinned, will that be repeated on the "New Earth", if so, how long will it take to full up the known universe.

    Ge 13:16 And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered.
     
  7. doulous

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    You should qualify your terms better. If God meant for men and women to have assigned partners in heaven (but not in the marriage sense), then all Christians would have those earthly relationships. But the fact is, we don't. Mormon's think like that. I'm not accusing you of Mormonism, but that is what happens with speculation. I am content with the fact that we are not married in heaven. I'll leave it at that.
     
  8. Paul of Eugene

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    If sex is missing, it will not be missed, something that gives us just as much pleasure and joy (at least!) will be there in its place. If it is still there, I'm not going to argue with God that it should not be there. PastorSBC1303 is right. We'll have to wait and see.

    But here's a hint! Sex is tied to procreation here on earth and in heaven we will not be involved in physical procreation, instead we will be immortal with no need to have replacements.
     
  9. doulous

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    Misinterpretation. Matthew Henry's insight into this passage is worth considering:

    The Messiah's kingdom will continue to grow until the final saint is called. Once that happens His kingdom will be perfected (made complete). There will be no one added to the Kingdom duing the eternal state.
     
  10. standingfirminChrist

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    I don't see sex in heaven, for this reason...

    In heaven there is no marrying, nor giving in marriage. We know sex outside of marriage is adultery, so it stands to reason there will be no sex in heaven.

    Something else to consider...

    The church, is the Bride of Christ. In Him, there is no male, no female. We will be one with Him.
     
  11. Scarlett O.

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    Good Hannah! This thread is complicated and is making me dizzy!

    StandingFirm, I am with you on this one....how much more simple could it be?

    Peace-
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  12. Bro Tony

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    I know this is going to surprize you SFIC, but I am in total agreement with you. ;)

    Going back to the Scripture beside what has been given from Genesis, we have Jesus' word quoted earlier in this thread, "we will be as the angels". The angels do not have sexual relations with each other. Our sexuality is a gift from God for this period of time, as we are flesh and blood. So Adam and Eve before the fall were flesh and blood. Paul says flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. What we are now will be changed and we will not be in these bodies nor have the God given desires of these bodies. What we will have for eternity will be so much better.

    Bro Tony
     
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    can I act like Sanford here and grab my heart? Tony agrees with me. lol

    I'm coming Elizabeth... you'll know me. I'm the one with the thick glasses. lol
     
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    SFIC, what happened to the tiger on your head? it is missing! Or was that a hair piece? just kiddin!

    I agree with you also.. Sex was created for marriage, and procreation.. in heaven there will be neither...

    But I suppose that whatever Heaven will be like, it will be 1,000,000,000,000,000 X better than any pleasure "known" here on earth!
     
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    I would go further than that, Tim.

    It will be an innumerable amount times the pleasures of this world.
     
  16. MRCoon

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    You should qualify your terms better. If God meant for men and women to have assigned partners in heaven (but not in the marriage sense), then all Christians would have those earthly relationships. But the fact is, we don't. Mormon's think like that. I'm not accusing you of Mormonism, but that is what happens with speculation. I am content with the fact that we are not married in heaven. I'll leave it at that. </font>[/QUOTE]Not true! Marriage is a term under the law not under what was in the garden. I'm not talking about marriage the term as we understand it nor am I talking about some "mormonism reward"...just added a non-theological additional point to a discussion that if we are to have companionship/helpmate like Adam/Eve then it would be interesting if that relationship was the mate that God had 'designed' specifically for you. Is this biblical? No! Is it unbiblical? No! So is it extra-biblical? Yes but only in the context of this silly topic...I'm not trying to start an occult or repopulate my corner Texas or South America...whatever!! I'm happily married to a Christian woman but am I married to the woman I should have married if I had stayed within the Lord's will? In heaven being perfect if marriage was to be present would I be with the one I had on earth or with the one God designed for me? Just adding my two extra-biblical cents to an extra-biblical topic [​IMG] ;)

    I must now bow out of the conversation since it is time for me and my wives to worship my golden image. :eek: [​IMG]
     
  17. doulous

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    Well since it is "extra-biblical" I will avoid it. Why?

    2 Timothy 2:23 23 But refuse foolish and ignorant speculations, knowing that they produce quarrels.


    I know this wasn't your intent, but that is where discussion like this go.
     
  18. MRCoon

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    Agreed and this can be :D as long as we are not quarrelsome. While I've never had a discussion like this before...I've run into some doozies and just wanted to play devil's advocate and add an alternative view. I personally don't think that in heaven we will care about marriage or need other companionship other than Jesus. [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  19. Bro Tony

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    Could I just add that I am not sure this whole discussion is a foolish one. I live in a State where there are many, many mormons. The mormons now number 15 million world-wide. It is the basic premise of their temple ceremony that in heaven they will continue to procreate and that physical sex will be apart of that realm. People are trusting their eternity to these teachings. It is a real topic that affects many today. Just a thought before we toss it aside as foolish and meaningless.

    Bro Tony
     
  20. webdog

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    Was sex restricted to only spouses in the OT? What were the reasons for concubines, and why weren't they counted as wives? Does the Bible condemn concubines as sin, or multiple wives for that matter?
     
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