Alcoholic beverages

Yea....what bout them there "Molinists" Sombody said there given folks acne & blackheads for Heavens sakes! :smilewinkgrin:

 

Who Gunnie....I love that guy! Ya Jack Wagon.....LOL

Actually trying to model it after that guy on TV who writes those addiction books?

 

What is a Molinist?

A mole worshiper?

 

I thought it was the hair that grows out of it?

 

Eeeewwwwww!!!!!!




Edit: I can hear you laughing.

 

Mole? Could it be a little blind rodent.....thats got black hair on it too.

 

Is it a liquor? I've heard of hair of the dog. Maybe it's hair of the mole?

 

Nope but the question was asked of Quantum so he should quantify, right?

 

Molinism is an attempt to provide a solution to the classic philosophical problems associated with God's providence, foreknowledge and the freedom of humanity. This view may be traced to the 16th century Jesuit theologian Luis de Molina - hence, the name Molinism. Specifically, it seeks to maintain a strong view of God's sovereignty over creation while at the same time preserving the belief that human beings have self-determined freedom, or libertarian free will.

"Molina's doctrine is called scientia media, or middle knowledge, because it stands in the middle of the two traditional categories of divine epistemology as handed down by Aquinas, natural and free knowledge. It shares characteristics of each and, in the logical order of the divine deliberative process regarding creation, it follows natural knowledge but precedes free knowledge."[1]

"Luis de Molina’s solution to the freedom/foreknowledge dilemma has had a revival of sorts in the latter half of the twentieth century, most notably through the efforts of William Lane Craig, Alfred Freddoso, Jonathan Kvanvig, Thomas Flint, and Alvin Plantinga. In short, these thinkers have followed the Jesuit Counter-Reformer in postulating a middle knowledge between God’s natural and free knowledge

 

Thank you Q my Brother.

 

I might also suggest the book I am currently reading: Salvation and Sovereignty: Dr. Kenneth Keathley

It has so far been a great treatise on molinism, salvation and sovereignty.

 

How do they define "libertarian free will"?

I'm probably closest to the Free Grace camp(I know, a redundant term...but I didn't create it ) in regards to soteriology. I believe their eschatology to be heretical (millenial exclusion).

 

Like most "theological positions" it depends on who you ask. In fact, the "purpose" behind molinism is to seek to maintain a high view of sovereignty and simultaneously allow for free will. Keathley defines 4 views

hard determinism
soft determinism
soft libertarianism
hard libertarianism

So far, my landing zone is soft libertarianism. Check out Keathley's book, he does a masterful job writing about these. Or also, check out William Lane Craig, he is a well known proponent of Molinism.

 

One would ever guess your a college professor Dave...LOL :laugh:

 

Bartender....its after 5pm..... absolut neat & throw in some olives.

 

I have no problem with alcohol being used in moderation, but I can't have it because of the sugar and being diabetic. I get more than enough sugar naturally from foods that have sugar in them--like fruit and vegetables.

 

Jon... do you shoot insulin? And are you type 1 of 2

 

OK Jon....I dont want to change directions from any of your doctors but if your type 2 & youve been regulating your blood glucose then you could substitute.....lets say a beer (& you can get lo Cal Beer) occasionally. And of course you should know by now not to drink on an empty stomach.

Sometimes I have one with dinner & I dont over do it. One is my limit.

 

Yep...that's it.