All Southern Baptist Leaders Affirm Greear's Statement on George Floyd Death

This makes sense of things.

George Floyd told police he was struggling to breathe before he was restrained

Mr. Floyd had pulmonary issues. He was resisting handcuffing, became compliant when handcuffed, resisted being put in a car. He was then put on his stomach and was keeled on, for what reason is hard to understand. He had no pulse for three minutes and CNN says no attempt at resuscitation was done by even the paramedics.

This is just surreal. Hard not to read malice into this. Yeah forcible restraint can kill those with underlying conditions like a bad heart.

IMO a jury may even convict the bunch on 2nd degree murder for kneeling on a dead man for 3 minutes and refusing CPR as first responders.

 

Its an old school technique that to my knowledge is no longer taught in most places. All neck restraint holds are now frowned upon. I am guessing the hold was in violation of his department SOP, but do not know that. If not, his dept has a very out dated SOP. I have no idea what the outcome for any of the officers will be. My big question is why did the officer continue to restrain him for so long. I dont think the restraint killed him, it just looks bad. I believe the perp would have died laying there handcuffed with no one touching him. He most likely began cardiac arrest during the active struggle.

 

Yes he did. Just because a choke isn't successful doesn't mean choking never took place.

I would imagine choking with one's knee retains quite effectively.

You have no idea how much weight was being applied.

If this was a standard proper way to restrain a facedown cuffed man, then what exactly was improper?

 

You seem to have reading comprehension issues or honesty issues. I did not say it was standard procedure. I did not say it was proper procedure. I said the officer did not have all, or even much of, his weight on the throat/neck. You said he did have all his weight on the neck. Are you blind or are you lacking even a most basic understanding of physics? I am tired of you saying I say things I dont. That is dishonesty and lying.

 

And you have communication issues. You claim to know how much weight was on Floyd's neck. I call BS.

And you seem hellbent on defending the indefensible. You call me a liar all you want. I'm still going to engage your pathetic defense of this cop.

 

I am not defending his actions. I have simply stated the officer used poor judgment but had no intent to kill. I pointed out the autopsy results. I pointed out that your claim the officer placed all his weight on the neck was completely false. I pointed out what the officers defense team will claim. You turn that into me defending the officer.

 

I've said all this as well, without claiming to know what was in the officers mind. He may indeed only have wanted to put some serious hurt on the guy. He may have been a complete lunatic, letting his anger get to him, and not caring if the guy died or not. After all the guy pleaded for his life, and he didn't so much as blink. Ultimately we don't know, but I suspect the latter.

Bottomline, he killed the guy. It's his fault. He won't go down for 1st or likely 2nd degree. I believe, however, with that video evidence, he'll go down for the charges against him.

 

Doesn't surprise me that everyone would sign onboard. The statement is very PC. The only parts that stands out to me are,

"The images and information we have available to us in this case are horrific and remind us that there is much more work to be done to ensure that there is not even a hint of racial inequity in the distribution of justice in our country."

Then you get told that black people are disproportionately prosecuted and incarcerated. Statistics that are true and go to prove the point. Though, the statement should explain things better, since it fails to define what is meant by, "racial inequity in the distribution of justice in our country." I had to go back to cable news explanations of what this means.

There is also this statement that may divide among evangelical Christians,

"Therefore, as a matter of Christian obedience and devotion, followers of Jesus Christ cannot remain silent when our brothers and sisters, friends and/or people we seek to win for Christ are mistreated, abused or killed unnecessarily."

This concerns me that it is by context talking about race, primarily, when I know for a fact, misuse of force happens to everyone, and is a much more general evil to fight.

Also, this statement swerves into the conversation about criminal justice and African Americans to stand with the Black Lives Matter movement, while saying nothing beyond what I would expect from a mainline denomination. This Baptist board has discussed the issues regarding racism in depth lately, and, honestly, there is much more to say in regards to defeating racism than in this statement. Just look at the recent threads.

This statement too will be forgotten, it says little that is powerful or poignant. Even though what we need to hear is for people to stand against and rebuke sin in all its forms, and embrace their savior Jesus Christ. Where is the Gospel in this statement? Is this statement meant to evangelize? If so, how, given it avoids the actual Gospel of Jesus Christ?

Truly a lost moment by the SBC to frame eveything biblically.

 

Thank you Salty. Very informative.

I wonder if that is anti-male bias. It is harder for us to look at a woman and see a monster than a man in this culture.

 

Floyd was complaining about not being able to breathe even while walking toward the police vehicle. He claimed he was claustrophobic when they started to put him in the vehicle, and then resisted getting in the car by falling to the ground.Even though the officers knee was on his neck, he was still able to raise his head and pivot it.

Reynolds is right. A lot just doesn't add up

The toxicology report may tell us what the real issue was.

Even then, to my mind, nothing can explain the length of time they kept him pinned to the ground. Even though he did not appear to be over weight, the risk of positional asphyxia is just too great unless he was still resisting, and that does not appear to be the case.

 

I believe they were just hitching their wagon to the PC horse. Didn't want to appear out of step..

 

On what basis would you wonder that? On some false idea that men and women are the same or involved the same way? Auto insurance companies certainly don’t think so.

While it is true that all are sinners, society does not consider every sin a crime punishable by incarceration.

But now you've got me wondering how many more prolific female serial killers are getting away with murder because they’re looking for a man, or no one. :Wink

 

Racism exists among Blacks and White, correct?

 

The real enemy of black america not whites, but Satan and liberal agendas that push abortion and crime and poverty and family breakdowns on them!

 

I think he was suffering a panic attack, if any of you have ever felt one, I have one time. In an extreme stressful condition, he died. All the things happening, the panic, stress on his heart, his health, his age, the arrest, they all together killed him. It is significant he was complaining of breathing problems when standing next to the car.

 

This is all well and good. But are there any pastors willing to now stand up for the unjust treatment of police officers?

2019 was a record low for killing unarmed suspects. Just 10 blacks and 20 whites. Most killings were justified based on clear video evidence. There were convictions of police officers in the other instances. Police, however, are 18 times more likely to be killed by an african american, than an unarmed african american killed by a police officer.

Yet BLM and others groups are claiming genocide of african americans by police officers! This is a lie.

Standing up for Floyd's unjust killing was a good thing, but also safe and easy. Where are the pastors willing to take the hard stance for police officers? Where's that statement?

 

I think you're missing what I'm saying. Police are being maligned and murdered over the action of one officer. They are many times more likely to be killed by a citizen, than an unarmed citizen is to be killed by them. Why not stand up also for blue lives?