An "Ax to Grind!"

First, when debating a Calvinist, there is one important rule to remember:
Calvinist = superior intellect
Non-Calvinist = ignorant

Second, would all Calvinists shun the doctrines that you listed above?

 

Well, unfortunately, this debate has been generally devided into two camps: Calvinists and Arminians. I dont know how many people believe supporters of the doctrines of grace hold to everything Calvin taught and the same with Arminius and those that generally follow his teachings.

I hereby ask that we change the terms and refer to these supporters as "Free Gracers" and "Free Willers" respectively.

What say you?

 

When all of yall quit calling us arminians, semi-pelagiusts etc then we will worry about what you all want to be called. Oh by the way add "ignorant" to that list.

 

I don't take offence at being called a Calvinist. It's not an insult as far as I'm concerned, even if one uses as a weapon.

As Baptists our forebears used the term such as Carey, Booth, Gill, Boyce, Spurgeon and AWP. I see it as a need shorthand.

 

Free Gracer's, Free Willers, Arminians, Calvinist, does it matter?... No my brethren this Is the only thing that matters!... Hang any label you want on anything else... Brother Glen

Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

 

Actual, many Presbyterians actually prefer to see us as particular Baptists, and not called reformed, as to them the historical Reformed theology was of the reformation, so infant baptism required to be officially labeled reformed!

 

I call people what they call themselves. Other than on this forum, I know of no particular Baptists who do not proudly wear the label Calvinist. My good friend who is a pastor of a SBC church and a closet Calvinist flashes other people he knows hold a similar doctrine a "C" hand sign. I pick on him about it a lot.

 

Ignorant heads the list.

 

No doubt "Calvies" is a pejorative term, but many people -- both those who believe it and those who don't -- use "Calvinist" as simple shorthand for those who believe in the 5 points of TULIP, or doctrines of Sovereign Grace. Context will usually show whether it is pejorative.

 

Great, show me how you have no "doubt".

 

I see “Particular Redemption” as just another attempt to monopolize a theological term and/or avoid transparency, like the use of the term “Doctrines of Grace” and “Reformed”, as if non-Cals don’t preach an even broader scope of grace or aren’t a part of the reformed movement, Better yet, another example is "Sovereign Grace" ("The" Doctrines of...) as if non-Cals don't believe God is sovereign along with His grace. Particular Redemption is a doctrine associated with a “particular” Reformed tradition alright and that is undeniably one of the “five points of Calvinism” (limited atonement) which they merely set out to rename, IMO, to disguise their Determinist roots.

Tell you what, name it " "THE" Doctrine of Deterministic Redemption" and you'll get no argument from me.

 

A question must be ask, "What do you call those (as myself) who do not embrace all 5 points without modification."

For example. Limited atonement is (imo) error, but limited redemption is not. As John 1 states, God limits that ability to become His child. It is He that adds to the church and not by might or will of humankind.

There are those who desire to label "determinism" as if it were error, yet, those same refuse to recognize that a rejection of a determined purposeful God presents God as either distant and unapproachable as not really involved or even caring, and/or a God that lacks total control and awareness of all that has, is, and will transpire in His creation.

God is not human with intellectual bindings that forces conformity to worldly philosophies. He has no innate limitation to His knowledge of all matter and matters.

If it were not true, then Romans 8 could not stand as factual.

 

Weaselers.

 

My guess is "ignorant."

 

Since it is my opinion, the fact that I stated it as my opinion is all the proof necessary that it is my opinion.

 

Very good.

 

Well all denominations are different. But they have their own way. Of doing things like baptizing and preaching even. As long as they stick to the same God through Christ that is all that matters.