and the present US government:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo179.html
Anyone who worships the Constitution should read it.
An honest and accurate essay on Lincoln
Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by billwald, Nov 12, 2009.
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Good article thanks
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Thanks for posting this, billwald. Of course, those who read folks other than the court historians have known the truth about Abraham Lincoln. He could be called America's original Marxist president.
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
I think he was one of if not the worst but not sure how you reached the idea he was a Marxist.
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Lincoln was by no means a bad president. Not in the least. Anyone who thinks of him as marxist has got a screw loose.
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" One very interesting aspect of Lincoln Über Alles is Emison’s discussion of the preponderance of “German Forty-Eighters” in the Lincoln administration and at the upper levels of his army. These men were German immigrants who participated in an 1848 European political revolt that advocated highly centralized government, despised state’s rights, and believed that citizens needed to subordinate their personal interests to the state. “Many Forty-Eighters were Marxists; some considered themselves communists. One of the Forty-Eighters was Marx’s own brother-in-law . . . the Forty-Eighters saw themselves as international agents of change.” " -
Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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What were the federal laws regarding secession? In other words, once a state was admitted to the union, how could it legally leave?
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Still, I would take Lincoln over anyone in Washington today. In a heartbeat.
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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With blacks represented by a man of faith as nobel and intellectual as Fredrick Douglas, the son of slaves and himself a freed man after a period of slavery in his youth...... there was excellant counsel and advice for the freeing of slaves and the acknowledgement of their humanity and rights under God based on the constitution as it already existed, without added ammendments. The constitutional arguements which he supported did not receive much attention or support from those who saw their expendiency for control and power would be nulified by such challenge, if successful. They needed a cause which was more unifying as a cause and brought less attention to the other elements of difference as existed in economy and industry..... of which were insufficient in themselves to divide a nation and unify the polarization in each divide to accomplish a civil war.
The south did not see itself as fighting for slavery but for the preservation of its agrarian economy and the rights within each state to rule and govern its people, where, among other things, each state had the right to determine if or when slavery was banned. The north, with many dependancies on the raw material and agriculture goods of the south, were not inclined to rally around divisions of economy to support a war. However, the north, having extablished itself as against slavery, accepted this cause as sufficient to rally together and fight its brothers in the south. The roots of civil war was in the making well before Lincoln came to office. But Lincoln was a self educated man, with principals and eloquence in speech, but relatively little experience in government or administration. He was of moody temperment, though quiet, and had cycles of depression and near dispair. While it is my opinion that he was a man of good character and sound principals, he also had weaknesses in confidence which made him open to manipulation and the persuasions of others. Only guessing can account for what reconstruction of the union would have been like if he had not been assassinated. We can look back to that era and see how the ambition and powers of people in the federal government, some to evil and some to good, to make an example for the permanence of the union and to prolong a suffering and delay the granting in reality of the rights of those who participated in separating. While it may be said that the gentleman's code of chilvary extended to those who led and fought in the separation, the same cannot be said for the condition of the people and the recognition of their rights by the union.
For as much as we seem to give Lincoln credit for his learning..... he really was not intellectually challenged by experience or broad development of knowledge to be discerning in the ways of communist philosophy as contrasted with free enterprise and proprietary ownership of property. -
Thanks so much for posting this link!
It presents the side our public history texts have ommitted and bridges the gap between what we've been told vs. our perception that the stories didn't quite add up to our experience.
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There are no federal laws allowing for secession.
Once a state has entered the Union, it cedes certain powers to the federal government, and the Constitution denies certain powers to the states.
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Yes, it does. States cannot create other states within its boundaries, neither can they join with another to create a new state without the consent of Congress.
Neither can they trade or make treaties with foreign countries.
And the list goes on.
The long and the short of it is this. Once a entity becomes a state, there is nothing that gives it the power to secede.
Despite the accusations against Lincoln (many of which are dubious) he was well within the scope of his office as chief law enforcement officer to enforce the statehood of those that defected. -
Aaron is correct. In fact, the issue of secession has been heard by the courts numerous times, and they have consistently interpreted the constitutional provisions on statehood to be irrevocable by secession.
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