Came across this timely quote by Charles Spurgeon this a.m. that is so clearly biblical:
" FAITH and works are bound up in the same bundle. He that obeys God trusts God; and he that trusts God obeys God. He that is without faith is without works; and he that is without works is without faith."
This is what James is telling us in his book, with all of his great examples!
Ananais and Sapphira...lost?
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by webdog, Oct 23, 2006.
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Now James, I know it is hard to admit it when you are wrong, but pride is awefully dangerous vice. Becareful that you submit to the Word of God. The truth is evident here, so unless you are just out for jollies, you have no legs to stand on here, theologically, biblically or otherwise.:BangHead: -
After reading your post I do not see that you made a case for anything other than you seem to think Satan is everywhere and in everything, which I assure you he is not.
Now in the Bible Satan is a metaphor for evil, but that does not do away with his actual existence and the fact that he is a fallen angel. -
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Seems to me there may be some confusion as to being indwelt by the Holy Spirit and filled by the Holy Spirit.
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Acts 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness. (They were all filled with the Holy Ghost)
Acts 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? (his heart was not filled with Satan, his heart was filled, by Satan, with the intent to lie about the price of the land) -
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1. The Holy Spirit preserves the believer.
2. Satan and the Holy Spirit do not co-exist in the believer.
3. Satan cannot possess a believer.
4. These two were infilled/possessed by Satan.
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I said, "nevermind the Greek.... (filled means filled)". See? I was agreeing with you on that point.
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Then you are suggesting that Satan filled them with a 'lie' and not his presence. The only problem is the very clear language of the Greek NT. Since you are no longer disputing the semantics of the language. It literally reads in the Greek, "because of what has filled SATAN the heart..." It then goes on and says "your for to lie to you the Spirit Holy..."
The way you smooth that out grammatically is to say, "Satan filled your heart" and "you lied to the Holy Spirit."
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If all believers are "filled" with the Holy Spirit at the moment of salvation and that never changes then why did Paul tell us in the book of Ephesians to be filled with the Holy Spirit.
Because being indwelt by the Spirit and filled with the Spirit are two separate matters, not the same.
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"L.C.!! Down boy!" - :rolleyes: :laugh: :laugh:
Ed
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