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I'd keep him there. What has he profited you?

Protection of what is perceived as success is of greater importance to some than Biblical truth. Thus these succumb to this and employ political correctness and numbers as proof they are on the right track.

Scripture suggests otherwise. Numbers have never proven this. Ever. There has and always will be a remnant, or, a 'minority'.

Truth is not popular and never has been. These things show evidence that the 'church' has been hoodwinked by culture et al, it is alleged that since these have numbers they must be right, therefore Word becomes secondary to their perceived success. They come first, the Word second because to them experience is the end all, not the Word. Pragmatism at it's deadliest.

We see the fallacy in such a barometer, and many will rush in to support this because such a person endorses their theological flavor in spite of Biblical evidence that it is all in error. Paul predicted this and it continues today; 2 Timothy 3 & 4.

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Find out what you can, but isn't sticking with those who lend themselves toward profitable engagement more beneficial for you?

Not that we cannot learn from error, but such are secondary at their greatest level.

I believe that our main learning should stem from those who are Biblically solid, and from those who offer solid Biblical edification. These should be our mainstay. Anything less than this should be from an 'overflow' of learning.

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Not to derail the thread but thought of this today. I think this guy has a good point in that our culture is "offended" by a God that demands justice, just in the same way that other cultures are "offended" by a God that could be gracious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f8wiYcmejQ

 

I'm not talking about Charles either. I've heard numerous sermons from him, and if you think hes anything like Osteen, its clear you know absolutely nothing about him...making this entire thread nothing but unfounded slander and gossip. Actually do some research and real digging on people before starting the kind of threads.

 

I will have to agree. I think tearing Andy down is like what Scripture warns us against about not devouring one another.

 

Then my point is established......personal preference..... No I won't give you a quote or argument. You should be mature and intellectually astue enough to read something and decide for yourself if it aids in your growth.

Andy does not produce trash. He is a man gifted by God to touch peoples lives with the message of the gospel.

 

Yay!!!! So your mission is over?

 

This entire process should give you pause before making additional critiques and impugning the ministry and character of good men of God in the future.

Please stop doing this.

 

Translation: I listened to a random podcast with the presupposition that he is an Osteen type pastor, and when he failed to touch on specific things I wanted to hear (its not like he doesnt preach every week and doesnt do series like most pastors), I will chalk him up as emergent, will say he doesnt believe Christ is the only way of salvation (since he didnt specifically say He is in the 2 whole podcasts I listened to) and continue to smear him in front of the world while sticking my fingers in my ears to anything else he has to say.

If this is the way you discern people, you are quite immature, spiritually speaking.

 

The problem is you cant even discern who a false teacher is. Ray Comfort teaches one must turn away from their sins to be saved. Thats another gospel.

 

Brother, when these popular preachers begin to get fuzzy on doctrine, lean on clear and sound doctrine and reject the rest, no matter the opinions of others, and no matter their 'credentials'. Timothy was instructed to do the same and to endure hardness.

Rest upon Scripture, don't succumb to the peer pressure of 'the learned' and 'further enlightened ones'.

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I think your analysis just might be spot on.

 

I havent read that book, and to be perfectly honest, based on the discernment you have shown here, I would hesitate in what you have to say about Jeremiah. The fact p4t is in your corner on this alone should send up red flags