Apologies to our friends in Europe

[Revmitchell]

There are many meanings to the word fairness. But in this context I mean free from bias or dishonesty, making a fair decision based on facts and not on emotion or prejudice.

You should try it some time in your life.

 

[sag38]

Before President Obama was elected Crabby posted thread after thread critical of George Bush. Yet, time and time again, he said that his mind was not made up. Yeah right!! Can anyone say "disingenuous?"

 

[Crabtownboy]

You should try it some time in your life.

The pot calls the kettle black. :laugh: :laugh:

 

[Crabtownboy]

Before President Obama was elected Crabby posted thread after thread critical of George Bush. Yet, time and time again, he said that his mind was not made up. Yeah right!! Can anyone say "disingenuous?"

I was a Bush sympathizer until he earned my criticism. He and his administration made so many mistakes and did so much harm to America. it is so sad. I was not sure who I was going to vote for until I learned about Palin's shortcomings. And, if you remember I did have kind words about her, but not her politics.

 

[tinytim]

Tiny, that is fine. I understand about time. It took me some time when I listed the 10 things I liked about G. Bush.

I really do not mind anyone being for or against a politician as long as there is some semblance of fairness in their postings.

Cheers.

Here are my 10 things.. . http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?p=1476969#post1476969

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I was a Bush sympathizer until he earned my criticism. He and his administration made so many mistakes and did so much harm to America. it is so sad. I was not sure who I was going to vote for until I learned about Palin's shortcomings. And, if you remember I did have kind words about her, but not her politics.

Baloney. I don't remember a single nice thing you have said about Mrs. Palin.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Baloney. I don't remember a single nice thing you have said about Mrs. Palin.

You don't? I talked about how I thought she would be the life a the party. How she would be a great friend and lots of fun to be around.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Nope. Don't remember. I do remember you implying that her & her daughter choose funny names for their children.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Nope. Don't remember. I do remember you implying that her & her daughter choose funny names for their children.

Hmmm, I don't remember that. In fact I do not remember their names at all. Anyway, if I did say that it does not mean it was an insult. My dad worked with a man who called his son and daughter "Spider" and "Wormy". Those are funny nicknames, at least to my way of thinking.

And I do think she would be a fun friend. I think she has a neat, likable personality.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I do. And you did mean it as an insult. You disappeared after being called out on it. By me, of course.

 

[Nonsequitur]

There are many meanings to the word fairness. But in this context I mean free from bias or dishonesty, making a fair decision based on facts and not on emotion or prejudice.

So does this definition apply to everyone?

 

[HankD]

http://biggovernment.com/2009/11/08...e-apologize-for-our-president/comment-page-1/

Now we have a new face of America. We elected Barak Obama, and he does not feel that moral duty to you as Reagan did, at least not enough to stand up to the shrill American voices that hate the American military. So he will not be there on November 9th to Celebrate the Fall of the Berlin Wall. I do not think he sees it the way you do. He will also not participate in the festivities on the campus of my College. Westminster College, in my State of Missouri, is where the great Allied leader Winston Churchill gave the Iron Curtain Speech. He told the World how millions of our fellow human beings were being stuffed into the cage, the very cage I was privileged to help dismantle. He had a way with words. On the campus of another American College he gave his shortest speech “Never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever give in.” But I digress.

Our new President believes that you are on your own. As the KGB agent-turned-billionaire, puppet master of the Russian Prime Minister, Vladimir Putin conducts war games of an assault on Poland, Obama has decided to tear down the American missiles from Poland. We knew that he cared less as he promised to remove our protection from the Iraqi people. 150 of them were slaughtered just this week. He really wants to find a way out of Afghanistan and pull our soldiers out just as you are pulling your U.N. workers out right now.

So my new President will not be there with you, like John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan were there for you. He has other priorities. I really wish I could be there to celebrate with you. Unfortunately, with the passing of time, I have five children, our economy is bad, and I too, have other priorities. So I am sorry that my President, the American face to the World will not be there for you. I feel just a little better knowing that you asked America to give him to you. I hope you like him.

OK, I can say something to this post in the president's favor.
Now that all the president's cards are on the table (and have now been turned face up), he is consistent in his political agenda and has kept his promise that things on the hill will "fundamentally change".

I really don't believe he is out to "destroy" America but cure it of his perceived ills thereof.
That is not to say it won't happen.
Many a patient has died on the operating table.

FWIW, I believe we (as Christian conservatives) are "reaping" what we have sown - to a degree at least. We are the most giving nation on earth (so we are told even by those who don't like us) and everyone wants a handout from Uncle Sam.

But even at that we probably haven't done enough, first to the gospel message and then for the physical needs of the truly "poor and needy" of our land and this world.

Therefore we now have to endure at least two (there are others) of the important human secularist solution(s) to this world's ills:

1) Abortion and 2) "death with dignity".

A society of death for those at the two ends of the life cycle makes cold logical sense to them (secularists) because it strikes at the two greatest expenditures of our social investments. Education of children is very expensive and time consuming, therefore in their mind, reduce their numbers (1 child policy coming soon?) and/or figure out a way to assess the "fetal" IQ before it is born, all others must face the "fetal tissue" meat grinder).

Second after that and maybe even of a higher cost: Care of the elderly.

Oh we were mocked saying we accused the administation's health bill of "killing grandma". Well, OK then, what is the difference between "killing grandma" and denying her a dialysis machine (hospice and morphine instead) by giving it to a 35 year old community organizer because of selective prioritization and greater ROI? Unless of course your family can afford to purchase one for her, if you can find one.

Since the thread has already been derailed, I'll add these good comments about former president(s) Bush: I would like again to see days of the concept of the "contract with America", "compassionate conservativism" and especially the "1000 points of light" with people helping people instead of a cradle (if you make it to the cradle) to grave (via old age and not the hospice) intrusive tyrannical government, but this time with a more effective follow through and better participation of the citizenry.

HankD

 

[billwald]

The economy of the EURO nations is as large as the US economy. Please explain exactly why we should pay for their defense? Shouldn't they be paying us back for 60 years of one way, one sided assistance to them?

 

[rbell]

Obama's just a mainstream center-left politician. I really don't get how you see him as Marxist. If anything, Obama is more conservative than a lot of the Congressional leadership. Perfect example, Obama supported the D.C. vs. Heller court decision that (correctly) recognized the right to bear arms as an individual right.

You're kidding...right?

This man took over GM.

This man used the power of government to fire the leader of a private business.

This man (though he's been caught in multiple lies about it) is for a fascist "single payer" (government owned and run) healthcare system.

If he's "mainstream center-left," then Atila the Hun was "slightly hands on."

 

[rbell]

A major difference between conservatives and liberals:

Liberals like "fairness:" everyone should have the same...regardless of effort, investment, risk, or rights of ownership. Government has a right to impose "fairness," even if it means injustice (see "Affirmative action," et al.).

Conservatives favor "justice:" That God-granted rights should be recognized and ensured by government.