CNS News reports that the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 8th Circuit Court in St. Louis will hear arguments Wednesday in a potentially groundbreaking case that—for the first time, according to attorneys—addresses the question of whether an abortion terminates a human being's life. The case considers a 2005 South Dakota law that requires abortionists to tell women that their abortion will terminate the life of a living human being.
"Someone who has a financial stake in performing abortions should not be allowed to represent women in a case challenging women's right-to-know laws," said Jordan Lorence, senior counsel for the Alliance Defense Fund, which filed the brief on behalf of the FRC. "Because an abortionist may earn a profit from women who abort their pre-born children, Planned Parenthood should be disqualified from representing the interests of women," he said.
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Appeals Court to Hear Groundbreaking Argument on Whether Abortion Ends "Human Life"
Discussion in '2007 Archive' started by I Am Blessed 24, Apr 11, 2007.
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Thanx for posting this. I will be following this story.
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http://www.belleville.com/mld/belleville/news/state/17062266.htm
excerpt (emphasis mine):But attorney Tim Branson for Planned Parenthood, which is challenging the law, and is the sole abortion provider in the state, said the mandated information is "highly misleading and calculated to mislead."
Even Fox News states as much:
The 2005 law, which if upheld likely will be duplicated around the U.S., both sides say, requires abortion doctors to tell women seeking to end their pregnancies a number of things.
Namely, that an abortion ends a human life, that women have a right to continue the pregnancy, and that abortion may cause the woman psychological harm, including thoughts of suicide.
The woman must certify she understands the statements, and the doctor must certify he or she believes the patient understands it.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,242849,00.html?sPage=fnc.specialsections/lawcenter
Exerpt:The 2005 measure is not a direct challenge to the constitutionality of abortion but is aimed at testing the limits of what a state can require women be told before getting abortions.In fact, if one reads past the false headline, the CNS story even says:
The legislation requires doctors to inform women of this, in writing and in person two hours before an abortion, and also to disclose the medical risks of the procedure, including the possibility that it could lead to depression and an increased risk of suicidal thoughts.
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That was HILARIOUS!
The decision in Roe v. Wade isn't going to be overturned.
Regards,
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Just out of curiosity,
1.Do you think Roe v. Wade should be overturned? I ask because it seems you are hoping it would not.
2.Do you believe abortion should be legal and what about late-term?
3.When do you believe life begins?
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At this time, woth the makeup of this Supreme Court, you are right.
In the future, if we get one more good conservative on the Court, I believe it will tip the balance against Roe.
The way it stands now, a Roe challenge would almost definitely end like this:
Uphold:
Stevens
Breyer
Bader-Ginsberg
Kennedy
Souter
Overturn:
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Scalia
Thomas
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That being said, I cannot make decisions for others - that is between them and The Almighty.
Regards,
BiR -
Well, the decision to commit murder is not just between the person and the Almighty. The state has a say. Same with assault, robbery, etc.
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Thanks BiR for your responses and I concur with most of it. I was curious about your abortion position due to some posts in other threads.
I agree with Bro. James Reed though in regards to abortion laws etc, and as noted previously. The fact is, at no other point since Roe v. Wade, has there been a greater opportunity for changes in abortion laws. Nor do I recall a time of more challenges against such practices as undertaken by GOP. IE: stem cell, late term abortions, parental notification, non-public funding of abortion etc. All of which the Democrats fought against!
Again though, Bush and the Republicans squandered a real opportunity for further change and challenges. By turning from their base and thus losing Congress to the Democratic Party. Rest assured, you won't see any challeges to abortion laws arising from that party. This is why you often see Christian Democrats faith questioned and quite honestly something they should and will have to answer for. God doesn't care so much about how poor or disgruntled someone is as compared to the killing of innocent children.
However, as Debby in Phily stated, abortion is not something we should elect to wash our hands of by simply trying to divert it to God. It is an issue which effects everyone, especially when public funds are used. It is something we as Christians should fight against, as most assuredly it is a practice God certainly abhors.
You are right in that only God can judge and knows all situations, we should just fight against abortion and offer help/sympathy to anyone who may need it.
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Abortion is not going to be overturned. The GOP hasn't really done anything, nor do I think they ever will. Rather than waste time fighting a fight where your allies won't do anything, perhaps we as Christians should focus on witnessing to a lost world, ministering to our fellow Christians, and working at changing the things we can actually change.
Again, thanks for asking me my opinion, and sharing yours with me. I trust that God is Blessing you and yours,
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Hello BiR.
Thanks again for your replies and yes I appreciate your opinions!
I agree with numerous things you’ve said but I take issue with some definitive statements you've made. As I do not feel facts support some of them. We may just have to agree to disagree on some of them and I apologize for repetition.
Yes, we cannot control others’ decisions in abortion or such and we all will stand in judgment of our own sins. We however can "try" and make a difference in policies which affect abortion issues. But I think there are Christians who continue to vote for Democrats, even though numerous of their policies/priorities are blatantly contrary to God's Word, and justify such by saying Republicans are just as bad.
There is a legitimate reason why the Democratic Party struggles with its moral image and this is something they are fully aware of.
I am not an advocate for the Republican Party as they are not all that great right now, HOWEVER, they in no way compare to the Democratic Party with certain moral issues. You have stated numerous times that the Republican Party has done absolutely "nothing" in regards to abortion or such Godly issues. I disagree with this and facts show otherwise.
The President vetoed embryonic stem cell research on moral grounds, as such is the destruction of developing fetus. The GOP supported legislation recognizing the sanctity of marriage; they introduced and passed legislation banning the horrendous practice of partial birth abortion, supported parental notification, and non-public funding of abortion, etc.
You may be correct in that Roe v. Wade may never be overthrown but I hold there is that possibility. However, you are not correct in saying the GOP has done nothing to change or limit abortion practices, as some of the above is significant of which the Democratic Party opposed all. Therefore, there is a significant difference. One only has to look at who the greatest majority of atheist, gay, and abortion rights groups support etc, etc.
Now, I would gladly vote for an Independent and would be thrilled if Christians could unite in electing someone of high moral standard. Otherwise it is at times a vote for the lesser of evils, per say, or in blocking such. In any case I could not bring myself to vote for a party that defends things as that, at every cost. Each year over a million abortions are performed, several thousand per day. Yet the Democratic Party stands "proudly" by this "right" as they call it and blocks any attempt to change or limit it.
To clarify, I do not question people's faith no matter how they vote or in any other regards. Only Christ can know a man's heart. I just do not understand the decisions some Christians make or that maybe they are unaware at times. This is not directed at you but instead generally speaking.
Hey, you have a great weekend and God bless.:jesus: