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Are certain political views sinful?

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  1. Calminian

    Calminian Well-Known Member
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    Just a basic question. I hear from some that Christians that say any political view is fair game and should never be judged. Others say quite the contrary (myself included). Was a vote for human slavery a benign political view?

    What about the major moral issue of our day—abortion. 60 millions babies just in the US since RvW. That's 10x Hitler's holocaust. Looking at an abortion counting website, I counted a baby murdered every 35 seconds. Some Christians are praying for the death of SC Justices who protect the unborn. I certainly get this, it would be like praying for Hitler to die before he kills more children. Yet others say this is shameful, and even vote for politicians that support legalized abortion. They dismiss abortion as just another political issue like environmentalism.

    I'm of the opinion that politics cannot be separated from morality, and morality can't be separated from testimony. I see today's leftism as perhaps the most dangerous ideology in existence—pro legalized abortion, anti-gender, pro-globalism, anti-free speech and religion. etc.. Thus I think voting for this ideology is sinful.

    There I said it! Definitely not going to be popular.

    Curious your opinion.
     
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    Praying for someone to get cancer and die, for whatever reason, is contrary to scripture and shameful.

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  3. Calminian

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    Not so sure. David prayed for the death of evil men, and abortion is pretty evil. Perhaps more evil that anything else in history.

    Do you at least try to vote pro-abortion people out of office? Are you willing to say pro-legalized abortion is shameful?
     
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    As someone who has protested at an abortion clinic, we are supposed to love our enemies and pray for them. However, the parable of the persistent widow shows to pray for justice. So, I pray for my enemies and for justice to right wrongs. The Lord knows what to do.
     
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    Well said. I like that, I think it's more balanced. Christians definitely need to pray that bloodthirsty judges repent and change their ways. But perhaps also we need to pray they if they refuse to change, God will bring about justice, and somehow remove them from their positions of authority. If we don't, we might be showing love to our enemies, but at the same time, we're showing hate to their victims. That's definitely not the Christian way to proceed.
     
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    Not contrary to Scripture. The Spillers of innocent blood deserve wrath from above.
     
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    And so do we all. But God shows mercy.

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    Not always. God has limits. Do you really believe we can murder a child every 30 seconds and not offend him?

    But my biggest concern is, are we even willing to admit abortion is sin? Are you even willing to admit this?
     
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    Yes of course abortion is sin, However personally I never voted for it and never will because it is an UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAW forced upon us by the SCOTUS in 1972.

    No public debate, no referendum, nothing. We woke up one day and baby murder was legal and the law of God is flaunted in His face daily.

    The DNC marxist/socialist platform is Abortion/Euthanasia and Eugenics, the Platform of Death.

    Euthanasia allows for "assisted suicide" (legal in several states) so-called and is another murder tool of satan aimed at the other end of age spectrum - the elderly. Yes why waste the resource of time, materials and funding when grandpa can off himself and save the family and/or the state big bucks. This is between the "patient" and the doctor and in the future the doctor alone if the patient is not responsive or not of "sound mind".

    Eugenics - just starting to make its appearance which calls for the sterilization and/or elimination of the less than desirable irredeemable deplorables. Deformed and/or diseased at birth - Infanticide comes under the umbrella of eugenics. Again between the doctor and the mother or under certain circumstance the doctor alone.

    We need Trump to assign (when needed) conservatives to the SCOTUS in order to defeat the DNC platform of death.
    We need a super majority of conservatives in both houses.
     
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    I already have. You can put limits on God's mercy, but I will not.

    The Apostle Paul states in 1 Tim. 1:15-16 that he is the chief of all sinners. He murdered Christians. He goes on to say that he was shown mercy by God as an example to be followed by those (Christians) that came after.

    In the same way that God demonstrated mercy toward Paul, a murderer, Christians are to show mercy and love to the worst of sinners we encounter.

    Praying for people to get cancer and die over this issue is contrary to the commands of our Lord in scripture, and shameful to the cause of Christ in the world.

    Pray for conversion, mercy, love and not death.

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    It should be known that praying for the death of people is not representative of Christianity nor this board.Within the realm of Christianity there are those few extremists.We consider them an embarrassment and a blight on Christianity and are currently praying for them to soften their hearts.
     
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    All well and good but when the day of grace ends there is judgement to come of which we are warned

    Acts 24
    24 And after certain days, when Felix came with his wife Drusilla, which was a Jewess, he sent for Paul, and heard him concerning the faith in Christ.
    25 And as he reasoned of righteousness, temperance, and judgment to come, Felix trembled, and answered, Go thy way for this time; when I have a convenient season, I will call for thee.
     
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    It really doesn't matter whether you do or not, God's mercy is coming to an end. You can read about it is Rev. 4-19. You can also look historically at the global flood. God's judgment is on display in history and prophecy.

    Yes, and this is my prayer for the murderous judges we have in authority now, that they would repent as Paul did. In the meantime, you have a few babies being murdered in the time it took you to write that response. They were ripped up by vacuums and needles. That's why I pray for repentance or removal of these judges, whichever will saves more lives. That should be your prayer also.

    Here's the irony. If your life were on the line, you'd be marching in the streets begging Trump and the legislature to save you. Right now, only the unborn are targeted, who cannot protest, scream or even cry our loud. If adults were being targeted, and you were potentially on the chopping block you'd be furious at these judges and banging on the SC chamber doors. The last thing on your mind would be scolding the pro-life Christians trying to save your life.
     
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    Who exactly do you believe you're representing? The entire board here? You certainly don't represent me.

    I totally understand those hoping bloodthirsty judges will pass away if they're unwilling to repent. A child dies about every 30 seconds at their hands, and they're appointed for life. It's no different than one wishing for murderous dictators to pass away. Many Christians prayed for the Allied forces to take out Hitler. I wasn't around them, but I would have prayed the same thing. Sure, I'd pray first for his repentance, but also justice, if that wasn't going to happen.

    Again, here's the irony. It's not you or others complaining that are on the chopping block. It's voiceless children. If adults with voices were being targeted, you'd see a very different dynamic. I guarantee you the neverTrump movement would be nonexistent.
     
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    You are very presumptuous as to what I would do. You are looking to the government for help. I'm looking to God for help.

    How's that been working for you? Sixty million babies killed in the womb, and you still look to politicians for your help.

    Your focus is all wrong.

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    As I am. How presumptuous of you to accuse me otherwise.

    But I also realize, government is a gift from God to minister to the innocent and punish evil. If you get a chance, read Romans 13. God is very clear, governments and their authorities are from him and have a good purpose.

    Hmmm. I'm trying understand why you're saying this to me. The only way it makes sense is if you're saying you don't vote pro-life. Is that what this is all about? Do you vote for pro-life candidates? Or is that depending on government rather than God?

    Just curious, do you think the abolitionist movement was a good thing? It was political, and slavery came to an end through political means. Yes, there was a non-political effort to save individual slaves escaping, but the true end came via politics, and was a Christian lead movement. That worked out pretty good, didn't it?

    I guess what I'm saying is, why are you so certain there won't be a political solution to abortion?
     
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    Your view along with one other does not represent this board or Christianity. There are lurkers who never post some of which are not Christians. Your ungodly view does not need to be seen as normal cuz........its not.
     
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    You mean your view of Christianity? I'll take that as a complement. Yes, I don't not agree with you on a myriad of issues, including your politics and hyper pacifism.

    My view is expressed in post #4.

    This is actually the biblical perspective (I don't know this poster on other views, but this was well said). If you find yourself praying only for mercy for murderers, and never for justice for the innocent, you've strayed from the Bible toward political correctness. Yep, definitely more trendy and popular (in today's church), but not biblical.
     
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    Hyper pacifism boy that is the first time I have been called that. One has to be an extremist to call me that.
     
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    God is love.
    God is holy.
    Ananias and Sapphira is proof that God has retained His essential character of holiness and judgment.
    These qualities/characteristics are still part of His persona temporarily put aside for the following message to be preached:

    Acts 17:30 "Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent

    The human race must rethink what God requires of us - IMO, His mercy has a self imposed limit which is soon coming to an end. The "signs" for the unbelieving world are gathering - what then of believers who don't need the signs but to take heed what is coming to the world - The WRATH OF GOD.

    Revelation 16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

    There is yet time:
    Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
     
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