Arrest made in botched abortion case

[Palatka51]

Posted on Mar 4, 2009 | by Michael Foust

MIAMI (BP)--A Florida woman was arrested March 3 for her role in a shocking botched abortion case that has garnered national attention, although she was not charged with murder as some were wanting.

Belkis Gonzalez, 43, was charged with tampering with evidence and unlicensed practice of a health-care profession resulting in serious bodily injury for her role in a 2006 abortion at a Hialeah, Fla., abortion clinic she owns. Both are felony charges and could result in up to 15 years in prison.

According to the warrant, Gonzalez took matters into her own hands when then-18-year-old Sycloria Williams -- who was waiting for the doctor to arrive -- delivered a live baby girl in the clinic. With the doctor still not at the clinic, Gonzalez "came into the room, cut the umbilical cord, swept the infant into a trash can with a red bag along with the gauze used during the procedure, and took the bag out of the room," the warrant states. Gonzalez then hid the body for a week until police were able to find it. By then it had begun decomposing, the warrant states.

 

[donnA]

According to the warrant, Gonzalez took matters into her own hands when then-18-year-old Sycloria Williams -- who was waiting for the doctor to arrive -- delivered a live baby girl in the clinic. With the doctor still not at the clinic, Gonzalez "came into the room, cut the umbilical cord, swept the infant into a trash can with a red bag along with the gauze used during the procedure, and took the bag out of the room," the warrant states. Gonzalez then hid the body for a week until police were able to find it. By then it had begun decomposing, the warrant states.

If this sin't murder I don't know what is. Throwing a live birth baby into the trash and leaving her to die.
But I'm glad she was charged with something. it should have been murder.

 

[Palatka51]

If this sin't murder I don't know what is. Throwing a live birth baby into the trash and leaving her to die.
But I'm glad she was charged with something. it should have been murder.

Donna, I'm sure you remember that in Illinois then state legislator Barak Obama, proposed legislation that any live birth resulting from a botched abortion is not to be saved.

 

[matt wade]

:thumbsup:

I agree the charges should be murder however.

I also still think the mother should be charged as well. It's no surprise she is filing a civil suit. She sees dollar signs all over this.

 

[donnA]

Donna, I'm sure you remember that in Illinois then state legislator Barak Obama, proposed legislation that any live birth resulting from a botched abortion is not to be saved.

I do recall that, the man who would murder children was voted president. I'm sure this event of murdering this child pleases him greatly.

 

[windcatcher]

I do recall that, the man who would murder children was voted president. I'm sure this event of murdering this child pleases him greatly.

This is so hard to read. It angers me beyond measure to realize some people in the health profession have no more regard for life than to do this. This is murder! I hope an example is made of her!

As for Obama........ my vote didn't elect him! I respect the office of the Presidency....... but I don't like the man or his party for their support and views on abortion, the child, the family, marriage, and the rots agenda (hom@s@xuals), and morality in general.

 

[donnA]

anyone who voted for him, voted for this, to murder a live born child. get used to it, if you voted for him, this si what you voted to allow, and there will be more and more of it.

 

[LeBuick]

According to the warrant, Gonzalez took matters into her own hands when then-18-year-old Sycloria Williams -- who was waiting for the doctor to arrive -- delivered a live baby girl in the clinic. With the doctor still not at the clinic, Gonzalez "came into the room, cut the umbilical cord, swept the infant into a trash can with a red bag along with the gauze used during the procedure, and took the bag out of the room," the warrant states. Gonzalez then hid the body for a week until police were able to find it. By then it had begun decomposing, the warrant states.

Things don't add up here...

The baby was born in a natural birth. How do we term this an abortion if the girl delivered the baby?

The doctor was yet to arrive, so this Gonzalez cut the umbilical cord. That was the scope of the medical attention she gave and is something many non-professionals to include midwives do all the time without a license.

If she put the body in a bag like trash, why didn't she throw the bag away. Why would she hide it?

Why didn't the 18 year old mother come forward?

This thing just doesn't add up as presented...

 

[LeBuick]

anyone who voted for him, voted for this, to murder a live born child. get used to it, if you voted for him, this si what you voted to allow, and there will be more and more of it.

Blaming Obama for what happened here is like blaming our forefathers for the Pastor who was killed today. They made it legal to have a gun... You guys kill me!

 

[donnA]

The baby was born in a natural birth. How do we term this an abortion if the girl delivered the baby?

Thank you, this si what I couldn't find the right way to say. It (the birth)wasn't even the result of an abortion, therefore fitting into the law, that allows them to murder a baby. Making this outside that law, and murder.

Obama helped make sure that babies born alive could be murdered outside the mothers body. Makes him responsible. Can't help it if you don't care.

 

[Palatka51]

Things don't add up here...

The baby was born in a natural birth. How do we term this an abortion if the girl delivered the baby?

The doctor was yet to arrive, so this Gonzalez cut the umbilical cord. That was the scope of the medical attention she gave and is something many non-professionals to include midwives do all the time without a license.

If she put the body in a bag like trash, why didn't she throw the bag away. Why would she hide it?

Why didn't the 18 year old mother come forward?

This thing just doesn't add up as presented...

The 18 year old went there with the intent to get an abortion. The birth was accidental in the eyes of the clinic owner. The intent over rides the birth thus the child is not a baby by the thinking of Gonzalez. Panic does not always use logic.

 

[LeBuick]

The 18 year old went there with the intent to get an abortion. The birth was accidental in the eyes of the clinic owner. The intent over rides the birth thus the child is not a baby by the thinking of Gonzalez. Panic does not always use logic.

I see... So the girl went there for an abortion, however she delivered the baby prior to the doctor arriving but the nurse treated the fetus as aborted. Not good... She does deserve to be charged with something for that poor decision making.

I've been poking around and found out this happened back in 2006 yet they are just charging the nurse 3 years later. Did the mother just come forward 3 years later?

Also, the fetus was 21 to 23 weeks. I see that 1 in 10 23 week old fetus survive. By the time authorities found the fetus it was decomposing. I am not defending her decision to place the fetus in a bio bag, just asking. I see all the sites saying. "living breathing fetus", that seems like an assumption since no one was there and the fetus was decomposing when found and only 1 in 10 23 week old fetus survive.

If a mother delivers the baby at 23 weeks, isn't this normally called a miscarriage? So that would mean she went for an abortion but had a miscarriage. Is that the same as a botched abortion?

I got some of the statistics here http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpa...757C0A96F948260&sec=health&spon=&pagewanted=2

 

[LeBuick]

Thank you, this si what I couldn't find the right way to say. It (the birth)wasn't even the result of an abortion, therefore fitting into the law, that allows them to murder a baby. Making this outside that law, and murder.

True, which is what makes me wonder what extenuating circumstance there is keeping the authorities from charging her with murder. But I agree with you 100%, if this baby was delivered alive then left to die or thrown out with the trash then that's murder

Obama helped make sure that babies born alive could be murdered outside the mothers body. Makes him responsible. Can't help it if you don't care.

It is not that I don't care, I just feel justice should be as fair as humanly possible. IOW, blame goes where blame is due. Our forefathers made guns legal yet we don't accuse them of murder when someone is killed with a gun.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

That's a silly comparison. We could blame Henry Ford for the people run over by cars, we could blame the inventor of the knife, but who would we blame for the people pushed out of windows ? Would you blame God for the people who have been poisoned by the natural cyanides pulled from fruit seed ?

Is there no end to your liberal spin ?

 

[LeBuick]

That's a silly comparison. We could blame Henry Ford for the people run over by cars, we could blame the inventor of the knife, but who would we blame for the people pushed out of windows ? Would you blame God for the people who have been poisoned by the natural cyanides pulled from fruit seed ?

Is there no end to your liberal spin ?

That is my point, then why is Obama getting the blame for this born alive incident? Either we blame all you listed or we blame none short of the person committing the action. That's not a liberal spin, it's just plain common sense...

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Obama isn't getting the blame for this. He is getting the blame for supporting legislation that would make it illegal to save a baby who survived an abortion. That mentality allows this to happen, like it or not. There will be more life destroyed due to this administration.

Also, you use the term "fetus" instead of "baby" ? It's a lot easier to justify your view, that way, ain't it ?

 

[LadyEagle]

Moderator note:

In addition, topics and/or posts that seek to promote clearly unscriptural and controversial social and moral positions, such as abortion, are prohibited as well. The official position of The Baptist Board is that life begins at conception. Statements of fact that would contradict the board’s position on this issue will be edited or deleted entirely. The decision to deem a thread or post inappropriate will remain at the discretion of the Webmaster or his designee.

I am finding some posts on this thread and another thread in the politics section to be inappropriate, IMO, and not in line with our posting rules about abortion. If this line of posting--including justification for abortion or parsing of words about abortion---persists, these will be taken up with the admnistrative council of this board.

Lady Eagle

 

[LeBuick]

Moderator note:


I am finding some posts on this thread and another thread in the politics section to be inappropriate, IMO, and not in line with our posting rules about abortion. If this line of posting--including justification for abortion or parsing of words about abortion---persists, these will be taken up with the admnistrative council of this board.

Lady Eagle

LE.. Just curious, where are the rules posted? I would like to read them over.

Also, are you saying no abortion post should ever be put in the debate sections because any post contrary to the boards official position is barred? I mean there is nothing to debate if everyone has the same view.

Why does the board allow abortion threads at all, if it doesn't invite opposing views then it really isn't a discussion. Threads I've seen without opposing views appear more like people just venting their frustrations but there is no growth since everyone has the same opinion. Just food for thought...

Lastly, find my view of when life begins to be biblical based. Why would a baptist board be against a view that is biblically based? Are you saying we all must interpret the bible the same also?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

It is hardly biblical. The bible describes pregnant women as "with child", not "with fetus".

The three words used to describe being pregnant in the O/T, ARE HARAH, HAREH, and HARIY...all three translate to "with child"....

The N/T seems to translate to having the woman "possessed with a child".

Please correct me if I am wrong.

 

[matt wade]

That is my point, then why is Obama getting the blame for this born alive incident? Either we blame all you listed or we blame none short of the person committing the action. That's not a liberal spin, it's just plain common sense...

The difference is that all the others he mentioned (cars, knives, etc) are items that have purposes besides killing someone. Abortion has no other purpose, so those that institute policies that allow abortion are responsible for killing people.