Nope. :p I follow the Bible, not human principles. (Care to source your mistaken definition? :Sneaky
Arrogance of changing Scripture
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by loDebar, Apr 30, 2018.
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John of Japan Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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I am not a Manifest sons of God, not sure what that is,
Sinners lost the ability to fellowship wuth God, even though ir existed or we could not be RE deemed or Re conciled. When were are saved we can have that fellowship again as Father , Our legal rights as sons of God are restored.
Charismatics are misguided and usually silly non believers.
The verses are not irrelevant,
Let me explain, When was the earth without form and in darkness?
Gen 1:2
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Job 38:4
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Psa 82:5
They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
Psalms 82 happened before man was formed -
Can the fallen angels be saved? -
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John of Japan Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Actually, as I remember, you spent much of your life in India. You should be able to recognize this "little gods" teaching in Hinduism.
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Romans 1:18-21 NASB
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. 21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
We condemn ourself:
Romans 2:1-2 NASB
1 Therefore you have no excuse, everyone of you who passes judgment, for in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things. 2 And we know that the judgment of God [fn]rightly falls upon those who practice such things.
The LAW will condemn us:
Romans 2:12-16 NASB
12 For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; 13 for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. 14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do [fn]instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.
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John of Japan Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Here is the real definition:
hu·man·ism
ˈ(h)yo͞oməˌnizəm/Submit
noun
an outlook or system of thought attaching prime importance to human rather than divine or supernatural matters. Humanist beliefs stress the potential value and goodness of human beings, emphasize common human needs, and seek solely rational ways of solving human problems. -
John of Japan Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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In the beginning , only God existed, He alone is eternal, he then created angels, and then mankind.
Humans have their souls created when conceived of inrthe womb, not coming down from heaven to enter into physical bodies now! -
no church Ted.,
Can a fallen angel be saved? -
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Merriam-Webser offers something similar:
Definition of humanism
1a : devotion to the humanities : literary culture
b : the revival of classical letters, individualistic and critical spirit, and emphasis onsecular concerns characteristic of the Renaissance
2: devotion to human welfare : humanitarianism
- renowned for his humanism
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John of Japan Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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more to the point you were not flesh and blood when condemned, according to Jesus -
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no, probably more old Rabbi's teaching. The Mormons beieve All must come to earth , but We clearly know only sinners are here -
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I told you you needed to read that verse in context or you were going to draw silly conclusions.
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