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Atonement

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by JonC, Dec 8, 2017.

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  1. agedman

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    Can the unclean make the unclean, clean?

    If God cursed the Son, then the Son became unclean in the sight of God.

    Therefore, as unclean Christ had nor has any ability to pronounce one cleansed as John states “cleansed from all...”
     
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    There is zero support for this found in Scriptures or certainly by now somewhere in the multiple threads it would have been discovered.

    Christ bore our sins, became sin, but there was no “wrath” poured out in that action by God.

    Did God pour His wrath out on the offerings of atonement in the OT?
     
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    NO christian has ever died in the same way Jesus did, as he was the sin bearer!
     
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    He was NEVER unclean in and of Himself, but was treated as if he was, due to Him accepting to bear the wrath of God towards sinners!
     
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    If He was never “unclean in and of Himself” then there was no purpose in God pouring wrath on Him

    This is the very reason why there was never wrath poured out on the OT atonement sacrifice.

    The sacrifice was never “unclean.” Therefore, there was nonWrath of God.
     
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    What is death to a believer?
     
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    Physical body ceasing to be alive.
     
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    Did not the physical body of Christ cease to be alive?
     
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    So your claim is no other has had their physical body ceasing to be alive in the same way Christ died??????
     
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    Yes, but Jesus also had to suffer as the servant of the lord, as taking on the full sin guilt of his own people, no one else ever did that!
     
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    No, rather that no one else in history suffered in the exact same way he did!
     
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    No. You said no one died as he died. But even in regards to suffering you are wrong. The difference isn't the suffering but the One who suffered.

    And where is that verse in Deut. that says God cursed his holy one? Where is the verse in Isaiah that proves Jesus stricken by God? Where is the verse where Paul says God cursed Jesus?
     
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    Has any one else ever been the Savior bearing the sins for His people?
     
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    Yes. Jesus bore our sins.
     
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    And by doing that, he endured and accepted the wrath of God due to us for those sins!
     
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    Scripture please.

    WHERE DID PAUL SAY GOD CURSED JESUS?

    WHERE DID ISAIAH SAY JESUS WAS STRICKEN BY GOD?

    WHERE DUES DEUT. SAY GOD CURSED HIS HOLY ONE?

    You keep saying it does, but where????????
     
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    he who know no sins became sin for us, and bore our sins upon the cross.
     
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    Back up what you claimed. Provide the passages you claim exist.

    WHERE DID PAUL SAY GOD CURSED JESUS?

    WHERE DID ISAIAH SAY JESUS WAS STRICKEN BY GOD?

    WHERE DUES DEUT. SAY GOD CURSED HIS HOLY ONE?

    You keep saying it does, but where????????
     
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    Jesus, Cursed by God
     
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    WHERE DID PAUL SAY GOD CURSED JESUS?

    WHERE DID ISAIAH SAY JESUS WAS STRICKEN BY GOD?

    WHERE DUES DEUT. SAY GOD CURSED HIS HOLY ONE?

    You keep saying it does, but where????????
     
    #160 JonC, Dec 15, 2017
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