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Atonement
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Rippon, Aug 29, 2014.
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Here is the published position of Calvinism:
Strike three.
Once again a Calvinist has offered a defense using false premises. -
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None who are found to be remaing in their sins and still gulity will be saying to God I had no chose, as they kept deciding the wrong way! -
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As if iy was a rigged deal from the start... -
;-). Funny. Not at all true, but funny - I gave you my reason and opened it up for your explanation. Your response was silence on the issue ... While you and I probably agree more in our views, at least Skan engages the topic. You just muddy the waters with questions you never engage, offering false assertions rather than answers.
I have not kept up, BTW, with Skan. I do not agree with him, which is fine. I understand what he is saying because I took the time to listen to his argument. Although we disagree, I can respect Skan for honestly expressing and holding his view. Unfortunately, at this time I cannot say the same of you. Don't assume, if you want to know if I believe in "original sin" or whether we are not we are already judged guilty "under Adam" then just ask. My answer is yes, I do believe this. But we are not condemned for our sins, but our Sin. Again, how do you interpret John 3 in regards to the world being condemned (we may disagree, but at least you can provide a basis for your understanding and not rely on Rippon to make your argument)?
Stop playing Robin to Rippon's Batman and let's talk. -
So God, problem with while someone might be able to say, wrongly, that someone other than jesus just might be able to keep the law well enough to merit salvation and right standing before the Lord, that still hasn't dealt with the judgement God pronounced upon all of us now found by Him to be in Adam...
So God finds all guilty of breaking His law by being in Adam,and by choosing to commit sin...
That is why must be placed into Christ, as then we have imputed to us the rightousness that none of us would have based upon our own efforts and merits! -
Are we made in the image of Adam or God?
What do you mean that we are “imputed” righteousness?
If you will clarify those two issues I would appreciate it. Other than that, I think we are in agreement (although I am not sure what it has to do with this thread). -
We are made in the image of Adam...see Seth in Gen. 5:3...Adam was in the image of God, and we're made in Adam's image.. -
I interpret Genesis 5 as giving an account of the descendants of Adam (God created Adam, Seth descended from Adam, etc) rather than indicating that men after Adam do not bear the image of God. I don’t see the disobedience of the Fall destroying God’s image. My view is that image of God continues with each line. We are still made in the image of God. So although we both agree with “Total Depravity” and “original sin,” there may be a bit of distinct difference in our views. I appreciate your reply because I would have taken for granted that adherents to TULIP held we are made in God's image.
I am trying to understand Yesuah1's post...and how it relates as a response to mine. While I have also believe in the depravity of men, man's sin nature, etc., I thought by his reply that he was linking this somehow to my question (that he was actually answering the question I asked and he quoted).
Yesuah1 - What is, then, the “Calvinistic” answer to Genesis 9:6 (the prohibition of murder based on man being made in the image of God…if indeed men are no longer made in the image of God)? -
I don't know if someone led you to believe such a pov was part of believing TULIP or if you came to this on your own, either way, I find it a wrong conclusion. I suppose it would not hurt anything to say we are made in the image of Adam or William in my case, depends on the context of the conversation, but this is a half truth so to speak, we are all ultimately made in the image of God. Genesis 5 does not nullify Genesis 1. Both are true.
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