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Babies in Hell?
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SuperBaptist, Mar 17, 2006.
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However, if they "kept His commandments" there needs to be more revealed. In order to keep a commandment there needs to be knowledge of that commandment. This requires the mental capacity to think and reason. Also, in order to keep a commandment, the option exists to break that commandment, too.
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ME: "I have a red car"
YOU: "No you don't"
See? In the scenario above, you just called me a liar. Since God, MULTIPLE times, throughout the Bible, states that those who keep the commandments will receive eternal life, live, etc., to say OTHERWISE is to call God a liar.
They have perfectly kept the commandments. Therefore the Blood of Christ is applied for their sin nature, and they are saved by Grace, just like the rest of us.
Are the Old Testament Saints saved by works? No. Neither are Babies. The fact that they keep the commandments perfectly would do them NO GOOD: their sin nature would still condemn them as a thing worthy of eternal punishment, yet Christ's atoning blood pays for it, and they are therefore saved by Grace, just like everyone else.
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Somehow I can't See Messiah Yeshua supervising the frying of babies.
Rev 14:10 (Geneva Bible, 1599 Edition):
The same shall drinke of the wine of ye wrath of God, yea, of the pure wine, which is powred into the cup of his wrath, and he shalbe tormented in fire and brimstone before the holy Angels, and before the Lambe.
God prohibits humans from bruning babies. Note that bruning babies is compareed by co-location to witchcraft & the occult arts. Both are abominations before the Lord God.
Deut 13:10-12 (NIV):
No one among you is to make his son or daughter pass through the fire, practice divination, tell fortunes, interpret omens, practice sorcery,
11 cast spells, consult a medium or a familiar spirit, or inquire of the dead.
12 Everyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord, and the Lord your God is driving out the nations before you because of these detestable things.
Ed's Conclusion: No babies in Hell or Lake of Fire. If you find a verse that appears to assign babies to such a vile eternal fate - look again, you may have misunderstootd??? -
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If the natural death come later in their lives, why does not the spiritual death come later in their lives. How come you accept the natural death coming later, but yet demand that the soul is dead at birth. Don't make sense. Where there is no Law, there is no transgression. The Law come to Apostle Paul, later in life. He was not born with it, for he said I was once "alive" without the law, the commandments came and I died. Same is true with us all. God is not respect of persons.
The soul that sinneth shall die. How could it die if it was already dead??
Why would someone demand that the soul of man die at birth after "Adam", and the body die sometime later in life, after "Adam". Where is the reasoning??
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Jhn 6:28
Then they said to Him, "What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?"
Jhn 6:29
Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent."
Rom 7:9 I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died.
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If the infant doesn't have sin (imputed) what is your explaination for why it dies? -
The soul that sins shall die. God makes it clear that we are never punished for someone else's sin. We do not inherit Adam's guilt. Our guilt is our own. We inherit the consequence of his sin, physical death. -
God does whatsoever He pleases.
Psalm 115:3 But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.
If it pleases Him to regenerate an individual (infant) apart from any other requirement but His "sovereign will" and/or His "decree" then He is able to do that. Hey, wait a minute...
AOBTW, what about John the Baptist who was
...filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
Does the Spirit of God fill an unregenerate?
Did John the Baptist have faith and repentance in His mother's womb?
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The natural death is an appointment.
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Rev 21:8
But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death." -
But even Jesus' body died because of the consequence of Adam's sin. -
unbelief is enough!
Rev 20:6Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Hath a part in Christ!
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We must not forget that Christ knew no sin but became sin. I see death as being cutt off from something. When a person dies naturally, they are seperated from the natural living. When a person dies spiritually, they are seperated from God. I believe this is why Christ became sin and said "Why has thou forsaken Me".
Only life is found in Christ Jesus. Death is just the opposite. Natural death is an appointment but the death the Bible speaks of (Most of the time) is a seperation from Christ. The second death is an eternal seperation.
The wages of sin is death... a seperation from God.
Just my thoughts.... God bless.
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