BASIC FACTS TO KNOW ABOUT VACCINATIONS

Vacuum cleaner salesmen use the Ben Franklin close (cost to benefit) researchers research.

Then I suggest you refrain from such activity in the future. ;)

 

http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/features/chamber/61615

"SECONDHAND FAT KILLS!
. . . It's more deadly than smoke "

"For years, doctors have been baffled by the high number of heart attack deaths of extremely skinny people, who were married to fatties or living with whale-size family members. "

tee hee

 

Yet another evasive maneuver. Tee hee, ho ho, nyuck nyuck.

 

I must ask for the proof you have to make these statements more than just allegations.

Where is your undeniable proof that small pox was virtually eliminated in all the world by vaccinations?

How did one state in Northern Nigeria figure out the USofA had ulterior motives for giving out free small pox vaccinations?

Where is your undeniable proof that they were mistaken?

Where is your undeniable proof that they sacrificed 800 of their children to their faulty conspiracy theory?

You must have a great deal of information from rational/party sites in order to make and back up such incontestable statements and I'm pretty sure that in the interest of defending them you would be willing to share this information with the rest of us so we can all better understand both the pros and cons of vaccinations.

I tried to make the questions as simple and direct as possible to avoid any further evasive maneuvering and posting of absurdities on your part.

To imply that a person or persons are forwarding a conspiracy theory then dodging questions and giving nothing but opinion and rhetoric whilst giving no hard evidence to support your position is a bit like assigning false motives, and in your own words that could be mistrued as "un-christian" behavior imho.

 

Frankly my Nigerian story is from memory.
What i posted earlier with sources is availble
on the Baptist Board. I frankly don't see any
need to research the matter. I do know that the
SEARCH function on BB is not as good as
Google is (and Google seems to keep their
archives longer than Baptist Board).

"Great Satan" "Small Pox" Nigeria

Here is a blog site:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=15968#comments

//Conspiracy Theory Keeps Polio Alive

//Remember our old friend, the polio virus?

//It’s coming back in a big way, thanks to a pre-rational conspiracy
delusion that has taken hold of the Muslim population
of northern Nigeria, with help from local imams and Islamic “scholars:”//

OF course, you can find any opinion you like in blog sites.
(some blog sites are suppressed though, as necessary).

So, you got me: it was about polio, not small-pox.

Here is a goodie from the Baltimore Sun in 2003
(found in a Google catche):
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:zgFTpuX_xqkJ:www.baltimoresun.com/news/nationwor...ns-ap-tophealth+Polio+Nigeria+++2003+site:bal timoresun.com&hl=en

We are talking polio here:

//Last year, some 1,267 people were infected in the world -- 792 of
them in Nigeria. The total new cases in 2005 stands at 651,
according to WHO, with Yemen listed as the worst-affected country.//

// ... since 2003 after a vaccine boycott in Nigeria
was blamed for causing an outbreak that spread the disease
to other countries.//

So you got me, that was 1,267 people instead of children
and cases instead of deaths. Just shows how good Ed's memory
is NOT THE INVALIDATY OF THE CONCERN.

Polio vaccine has made the world a hostile place to live
in because there are so many more third world countries bringing
peopleto reproduction age. Did you mention that your Vaccine
conspiracy is directed toward
(according to who you read) toward: Blacks, Muslims, Russians, Jews
South Americans, Chinamen ... etc. ?

Alright, i wasted an hour doing some research.
That is ok cause Oklahoma is loosing to Texas :(

Now, you want to go through the files of the Disease Control
Center in Atlanta?

Conspiracy Theories kill more people than guns :(

 

Thanks Ed, I'll go through the information you posted and get back with ya it's getting late tonight.

 

There are also arguments making the rounds about vaccinating dogs and cats.

Personally, I follow the advice of my trusted vet and vaccinate. If I had two legged children I would follow the advice of my trusted doctor and vaccinate if that is what he recommended.

 

One hour is kind of insignifigant in light of the potential permanent damage that could be caused by one vaccination. I guess maybe I am begining to see where you are coming from now Ed.

I reckon that it's good to have your priorites in their proper place. Placing sports over serious health issues is in line with the majority I would guess. Good to be in the majority on issues, isn't it?

I've just been doing that, have you? I noticed while going through the files that are "open to the public" there are three types of polio viruses and only two vaccines. Your source (a blog w/footballs) doesn't seem to take this into account when attempting to explain away the alleged "conspiracy theory". It also doesn't take into account the revelations of the WHO's anti-tetanus campaign and if this had a bearing on the the Nigerian refusal of the polio vaccine campaign.

Maybe just maybe Ibrahim Datti Ahmed was paying attention to what the Mexican and Phillipine health authorities were finding in the tetanus vaccine and the way in which it was being administered.

I should now better by now than to ask "where is your proof or statistics to back this conpsiracy theory" of your's Ed but I'll ask anyways...where is it??

I reckon I've spent enough time in the show me state to say "show me" so, show me.

It's much easier to dismiss something as a "conspiracy theory" than to back up your own theory with hard facts and evidence isn't it?. I suspect that's probably why you continue to use the technique and skirt around questions by posting absurdities and claim that to do the research for "an hour" to answer my questions is a waste of your time.

That's typical for people that have claimed that something is a "conspiracy theory", the answers to questions always seems to be the same. Don't bother me I haven't got the time to explain...just take my word for it. :rolleyes:

 

People who deal with Autism and have Autistic children and adults to care for have a big concern
and questions about vacinations...it is not a done
deal or is it perfect.

I have helped take care of Children who have Autism
and if vaccinations were one of the causes which is
still in question I would want to protect children
from harmful vaccinations.

 

Okay, Poncho, you called me a "mind-guard" earlier in this thread. I take that as a personal attack and based on the conspiracy theories you like to spout--I should take it as a compliment.

No, vaccinations are not perfect, nor is any medication. There are risks simply sitting in your chair listening to people like Art Bell on the radio who make their money making up stories.

I think this thread has more to do with a conspiracy theory that you would like to push, more than it does an intelligent discussion of the risks of vaccinations.

Aslanspal makes a legimate concern regarding side effects of vaccinations, but the supposed statistics that you have been spouting, Poncho, are ridiculous to the extreme.

Again, I ask you, have you ever been kidnapped by aliens?

 

Keep sounding the alarm, poncho! There are some of us out there who do NOT have our head in the sandbox.

 

Okay, Phillip, you've asked me two or three times now if I've been kidnapped by aliens but I don't take that as a personal attack. Even though I could view it as such. I find it rather amusing and think it shows a lack of confidence you may have in your ability to refute my claims without name calling and making absurd posts.

The first part of this statement seems fair enough because there some facts out there to back it up even though you give none. The second part where you allege that I listen to Art Bell is not true, I've never listened to the guy. You seem to know much more about him than I do, where can I find his show on the radio dial so I can find out what I have been missing. You also allege that he "makes things up"...got evidence?

This is your idea of "intelligent discussion"? No wonder I don't seem to fit in here, not that that is my highest priority...to be like everyone else.

I agree ASLANSPAL has made many a legimate concern known. I've also noticed the regularity of personal attacks he gets on this board. I don't think his highest priority is to "fit in" with the majority either.

Why do you keep resorting to childish remarks like these? I would think if what you allege about me is true...that all I want to do is "push a 'conspiracy theory'" it would be easy for you to refute my attempts with solid undenialable facts and evidence. That is what you base all your opinions on is it not?

Could it be that to do so would be a waste of your time, when name calling and making wild allegations is much easier and less time consuming?

 

I agree ASLANSPAL has made many a legimate concern known. I've also noticed the regularity of personal attacks he gets on this board. I don't think his highest priority is to "fit in" with the majority either.

He does more than his share of attacking. He gets what he gives.

 

"He gets what he gives"

One person's actions makes it okay for others to indulge in the same or even more egregious actions?

 

It makes any complaints about it moot, doesn't it ?

Besides, I haven't seen anyone attack A-Pal, or you. I've seen people try to use humor to show the far-fetched-ness of some of your claims, but nobody has questioned your walk with God, or called you any names. I have seen A-Pal call people names, tell them they need to repent, make assumptions about their Christianity based on his view, basically very rude behavior. He never answers the questions he is asked, and responds to challenges by making fun of people.

Stick up for him if you want. But he dug his own grave around here a long time ago.

 

I'm not going to condone rude behaviour in anyone and most especially myself. I have tried to apologize and make amends when I have indulged in it. I think you know that Bro Curtis.

I've challenged peoples views and have had people respond by making fun of me so what's the difference? What makes it okay for some people to do it and not others?

What constitutes "far-fetchedness" anyway, is it a view or opinion that is out of the ordinary or out of sync with what the majority sees as normal?

If so, what is normal, and why should I as a Christian seek uniformity with a world view or try to stay inbounds with such a view that the world holds as normal?

Do I have to stick up for or condemn certain people that I may or may not agree with to "fit in" with the crowd?

[ October 10, 2005, 01:58 PM: Message edited by: poncho ]

 

You should post what you feel, and let the chips fall where they may. If it's what you believe. But I don't feel you have any more access to the truth than anyone else.

Believe me, I have taken plenty of beatings around here for my views on the RCC, my pre-trib stance, my support of Israel, my statements on regular exercise, my S.U.V., my belief that people should not rely on government to take care of them, my 100% support of George Bush's war on terror, and other such stuff. The difference is I don't complain about the responses I get. I am not a martyr, and to claim persecution would be an insult to those who actually experience it.

 

Is that what I am doing, complaining? I thought I was asking questions. I asked five seperate questions in my last post. Is it complaining to much to ask why you didn't answer them more directly? One at a time?

I know, more questions. Guess I'm full of em.

 

Pocho, it does sound like you are complaining about the "abducted by aliens" thingy.

Anyhoo, I did answer your last question, and I considered the rest rhetorical. People challenge each other here. And we have some folks who have a biting, sarcastic sense of humor. With almost 3000 posts, I would think you know that, by now.

And BTW, I do not think you are rude.

 

Thanks, I try not to be rude. I think it's kind of amusing that people resort to the "abducted by aliens" thingy for reasons I've already stated, but that isn't my complaint.

I was hoping that one day people would answer my questions with answers instead of subterfuge though. Alot of people are of the opinion that my opinions are bogus and that's understandable but, they never seem to provide any of the reasons in the way of evidence how they have come to their own conclusions, rather they seem to be more interested in picking mine apart.

That's my real complaint, guess I'll never know how they come to their conclusions. They imply their opinions are all based on well known facts...if that's so then why don't they come out with them?

Doesn't seem to me that there is any reason to keep them so secret.