No, it 'doesn't work like it used to ' - because after 1054 the Church has no longer spoken with one voice. But there is a sufficiency of doctrine up to then to guide us...
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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by BobRyan, Dec 24, 2007.
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Matt Black Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Baptism in the Eastern church and Sabbath keeping in the Church of Africa PRE-1054 differred from the "practice" of the Roman church PRE-1054!
In Christ,
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Matt Black Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Disputes over practice do not amount to doctrinal differences.
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The notion that there is no "doctrine" in the RCC or the Eastern churches regarding baptism, Sabbath, Priesthood etc can not survive even a cursory review.
The idea that these conflicting traditions do not conflict - does not wash either.
The notion that traditions pre-1054 were all the same does not float.
And the result is that all arguments of the form "there were no differences in doctrine or tradtion prior to 1054 because tradition alone was sufficient to cause all church groups to agree" simply die in infancy. They never get off the ground. -
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Anyone that believes that there was complete doctrinal unity for 1000 years.....I've got some ocean front property in Arizona to sell them. :laugh:
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Matt Black Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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It is clear that water baptism, Sabbath observance, celebacy of the priests etc were NOT examples of a pre-1054 Christian church "speaking as one voice".
Given that tradition never solved this problem of "differences exist" -- why use that as an argument against "Sola Scriptura".
BTW - when differences did arise from within the RCC prior to 1054 the way it was settled was persecution - not tradition.
in Christ,
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Matt Black Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
There was no RCC prior to 1054. Persecutions like the Inquisitions again didn't really get going until after the Great Schism and again were largely a feature of the RCC. As to the rest, see my post on the Scripture and Tradition thread re doctrine -v- discipline.
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Matt,
So, in other words....
"Prior to 1054 they all spoke as one voice, except for those times when they didnt, so those times dont count". :applause:
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// I take it you are aware of the concept of
the 'hierarchy of truth' ie: dogma, doctrine and discipline? //
Doesn't ring a bell.
I do know:
dogma + discipline - charity = abuse
Good doctrine leads to good practice;
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Matt,
Its been proved...documented...probably hundreds of times on these boards.
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Matt Black Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Matt Black Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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