Yes, I acknowledged that possibility, I said it was a functional word. This is idiomatic to Hebrew much like English but worse, one word can function with many meanings which often times makes a translation word choice difficult, occassionaly the meaning cannot even be determined by the context because more than one of the functional meanings will fit.
In addition if one translates from the the ancient Hebrew before the Masora was codified, there are no vowel points confusing the issue even more.
Oops, DUG is actually DUR. After going back to look at the word I see that it ends with a Resh and not a Gimmel.
The vowel points are what determine the word DUR as to its function. The letters are Daleth-Vav-Resh.
When the Vav has a dagesh point it turns the letter into a Shurek and indicates that the Masoretes determined the word to have a form, shape or a compassing function:
Isaiah 22:18 He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house.
Isaiah 29:3 And I will camp against thee round about, and will lay siege against thee with a mount, and I will raise forts against thee.
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I'll say this way, IMO, the use of the word KOOG for "circle" in the Hebrew Scripture is correct as 2 dimensional and is never used as "sphere".
I challenge you to show me an occassion in the Hebrew Scripture (not German) where the word KOOG is used as a "sphere" or "ball" such as the word DUR.
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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Carico, Oct 15, 2009.
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Not only that, no Hebrew lexicon translates this word as a flat disk. So basically all the people who know the most, disagree with you.
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I guess you have some atheist garnered answer for this one, too...
Job 26:7 He stretches out the north over the void and hangs the earth on nothing.
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Again, in conjunction with the word for "curved" in the Greek, it is exegetically demanded! No other interpretation could even fit.
Also, once again: NO Hebrew lexicon demands a "flat" or "two dimensional" shape for this word. It simply means round, or circle. You are imposing flatness, with absolutely no basis.
Why do you feel it necessary to attack this so vigorously? Does it really offend you so badly, that God's Word teaches that the Earth is round? Since it is God's infallible Word, it SHOULD teach this, should it not?
I am having a major problem with the attitude you are exhibiting: you act as if the deity of Christ were being attacked, rather than God's Word being upheld... -
From other conversations with Johnv, I don't think he likes to believe that the scriptures are scientifically correct. -
We might be arguing incorrectly here. I'm curious why you're using the word "round" as a definition of a sphere. "Round" carries a definition of a circular shape, not a sphereical shape. A circle is two deminsional, not three dimensional. Ask any math teacher. Heck, ask any carpenter.
That's why I'm concurring with your exegetics, but disagreeing with your eisegetics.
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The scriptures show the earth as three dimensional, not two.
Isa 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
Prov 25:3 The heaven for height, and the earth for depth, and the heart of kings is unsearchable.
Matt 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? -
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And verses that show that the earth is a sphere where it is day on one side, and night on another are in Luke.
Luke 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
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Again: Chug is the only word that could have been used to denote a specifically curved or circular shape. Had the word "dur" been used, it would have denoted God as sitting on top of a pile, or heap.
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