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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Martin Marprelate, Dec 24, 2015.

  1. Iconoclast

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    If we name the persons we will get infractions.
    There are some here who just a year or two ago argued that repentance was not for Christians.
    We responded very sternly to such falsehood.
    Some who taught that very thing.....now mention repentance in carefully worded posts as if they also believe it but they do not.
    Some of these persons have left BB some are still here.

    Biblical repentance is a turning from sin, and a turning to God....that is part of the gift of salvation. See acts 11
     
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    The apostle Paul named person's. He'd get infractions on here too. I'd say that's good company.
     
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    What are you blathering about now?
    More false accusations?
    If a person makes a statement he should back it up. What you are doing is simply hearsay; gossip is a better word, and that is sin. Call it for what it is. Look at your post. It is nothing but gossip. You don't have one fact to stand on.
    This person (I can't say who) did this....yada yada yada...gossip gossip gossip
    You should be ashamed.
     
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  4. Iconoclast

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    Itl wanted an answer...
    He can now look in the archives and see for himself who has consistently following the scriptures and who is posing.

    He can look in the archives....he can look at my posts...he can see if I have been consistent or not.
    He can even look back.....and view your posts and see what You have posted also......
    I know who posted what.....if he really wants an answer he can find it first hand....no gossip...
    I have no secrets here .....
    In fact....that takes away your claim of false accusations ,gossip and whatever excuses you offer as you very sensitive on this topic....perhaps there is a reason for that.
    ITL can search for his answers....they are there.
     
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    There was this looney tooney somewhere once on a forum who used to say that repentance isn't necessary and he'd get bent out of shape and call names. He said repentance wasn't in the epistles so it faded off as a requirement. Uh? The NT epistles were written to a repentant flock who had already been granted repentance! They weren't for evangelism but for instruction for the sheep. Anyhow this dude was out on a limb on a lot of other doctrine as well. :)
     
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    That is what I recall as well. If ITL wants an answer he will see the truth very quickly unless those posts are deleted...lol
    Could you imagine if someone would delete those posts:eek:
     
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    It's VERY interesting that your previous post garnered such an attack as this. Hit a nerve maybe? Hmmmmmm...VERY interesting reaction indeed!!!! :)
     
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    Oh the post deleting phantom probably strikes again...gotta cover those tracks being he's so honest...ROFL!!! Roflmao Laugh :D
     
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    Yes....it was over the top for sure....lol
    ITL has asked 3 times for an answer....I simply suggested how to see for himself....pretty straight forward I think
     
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    My question is; Do we exercise that repentance or does God exercise it in us as in? 1 Kings 18:37 Hear me, O LORD, hear me, that this people may know that thou art the LORD God, and that thou hast turned their heart back again.
     
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    Hi Brother InTheLight,

    Faith and repentance both are sure effects of being born again, not the cause (proof faith is a "fruit of the Spirit, thus it can only be possessed until after having the Spirit). Faith and repentance are not synonyms for Jesus distinguished between the two when he said, "And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel" (Mark 1:15). Here repentance and faith in the gospel are separated, Jesus wasn't just repeating himself by saying "repent (i.e. believe) and believe the gospel" as this makes the verse make no sense. Faith in the gospel is defined by scripture with the example of Abraham in Romans 4, "20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform." (Romans 4:20-21), Thus faith in the gospel is believing you are a sinner with no hope, but Christ is your savior, trusting solely in the fact that Christ paid the debt for your sins and rose again for your justification.

    Now that I have defined faith, what is repentance? The original word is metanoco, according to its etymology, signifies "To reflect on, or to be wise after the act, or to return or come to a right understanding." This repentance therefore imports a change of mind after an act has been committed, and which therefore implies a condemning of the act, and of course, sorrow for it, and a change of conduct (I agree with you that the change in conduct is the result of repentance, thus not the same thing as repentance). This sorrow may be natural or worldly sorrow, or it may be godly or spiritual sorrow, as the act is viewed in the light of reason, or in the light of the Spirit. If the former, it needs to be repented of again. But the main point in the idea of repentance is the substance of the thing. It is this, that as repentance is self-condemnation, it stands in direct opposition to all self-righteousness, self-justification, or reliance on our own acts for acceptance with God, &c. The repentance which John preached, and to which he baptized the people prepared for the Lord, is further defined in its peculiar nature and effects by the rejection of the Pharisees from John's baptism of repentance. "O, generation of vipers! Who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come. Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance, and think not to say unto yourselves, We have Abraham to our father, for I say unto you that God is able of these stones to raise up children to Abraham (Matthew 3:7-9)." Had these Pharisees and Sadducees possessed the repentance which John preached, they would have signified it by a turning away from their cherished traditional hopes of being saved by their fleshly relation to Abraham, and by a reliance alone on him whose kingdom was about to be organized. The repentance preached was an abandonment of all confidence in the flesh, and a ready and hearty acknowledgment of Christ.


    God Bless and Merry Christmas!

    Brother Joe
     
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    God grants repentance and faith to us.
    We exercise both of these grace gifts daily as God works in us to will and Do His good pleasure.
    God has no sin. God never repents..... we have sin, and need to repent, we have to exercise faith every day.
     
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    CONTEXT:
    1Ki 18:36 And it came to pass at the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that Elijah the prophet came near, and said, LORD God of Abraham, Isaac, and of Israel, let it be known this day that thou art God in Israel, and that I am thy servant, and that I have done all these things at thy word.
    1Ki 18:37 Hear me, O LORD, hear me, that this people may know that thou art the LORD God, and that thou hast turned their heart back again.
    1Ki 18:38 Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench.
    --They would repent because God would work such a great miracle through the prophet Elijah.
    This is not teaching that God gave them repentance, but rather that God convinced them that repentance was the right thing to do. It was an answer to the prayer of Elijah.
     
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    Show me the scripture that teaches that and I will show you the scripture that you take out of context.
     
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    Repentance is a change of mind toward sin and our view of Christ's sacrifice and what it accomplied and how one becomes just before God. It does produce a change in conduct. We must first be given the "mind of Christ" to have this change of mind because of our mind we are born with we read "the carnal mind is at enmity against God".

    You must first be born with a new nature to repent and the flesh we inherit from Adam it is said, "they that are in the flesh cannot please God." If our flesh without the Spirit present could repent after hearing the gospel, then this would mean it could "please God", therefore it would make the scripture a liar that says it "cannot please God", would it not?

    Moreover, as Godly repentance is a good thing one does, if the flesh without the Spirit could repent how then can Paul say, "in me that is in my flesh dwelleth no good thing" if it could produce the Godly sorrow and a change of mind in regards to sin?

    Do not be deceived into thinking an individual with only the flesh is capable of repentance, but rather accept what Paul rightly declared, "For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh." (Philippians 3:3). First comes the circumcision of the heart and "in the spirit", then the repentance follows. I "have no confidence in the flesh" to perform acts of Godly obedience such as repentance after hearing the gospel brother unless the Spirit is first present!
     
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    John 20:27-31 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
    And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
    Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
    And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
    But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

    Did Thomas exercise repentance? He turned from his sin of unbelief. And turned to believing on the Lord Jesus Christ, right?

    Our Lord Jesus says that blessed are those who believe and haven't seen Him. What on earth, in context, would make a difference between our believing experience and Thomas' if the Lord "causes" this type of belief?
     
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    John 16:8-9 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
    Of sin, because they believe not on me;

    Repentance is two fold, is it not? Repentance at salvation because we have turned from trusting in ourselves and turned to trusting God. For what? Our newly revealed atrocity that we have sinned against the God of all creation and we need Him to save us and forgive us. Adam hid...we hid...and God revealed Himself. Do we fall on the Rock of salvation or do we run and reject and get crushed by the Cornerstone at the judgment.

    Continual repentance...turning from self and turning towards God with sincere trust...is a mark of a Child of God. "Sinning less" would be the continual work of God in the life of a born again child of God, but Paul brings to light other important matters...think of the Thessalonian Church...they were known for their Work of Faith, Labor of Love and Patience in Hope. Is that the mark of a True Christian or a Maturing Christian? Timothy, Paul, Titus et al wouldn't have much to rebuke, exhort, reprove if everyone was a mature Christian, Not too mention correction and instruction in righteousness. Paul said they turned from idols to serve the one true God. For the most part, idolatry is hard to view from an external perspective.

    Just some thoughts.
     
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    I have seen you explain away good verses.
    You are not looking for an answer.
    I will explain what I can to those who want to learn.
    RM has done a good job in his responses as has Mm, and IT.
    JON....will get to you.maybe tommorow. ...
     
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    Brother DHK,

    If you are asking brother Icon to show you the scripture to support his assertion that God grants repentance, allow me to give it a crack.Sometimes in the Old Testament God even reveals behind the scenes how He enabled particular Jews to obey his Word when they were called to repent: In 2 Chronicles chapter 30, for example, when couriers with a message of repentance passed from city to city through the country of Ephraim and Manasseh, and as far as Zebulun, they laughed them to scorn and mocked them when they were called to repent, "Nevertheless some men of Asher, Manasseh and Zebulun humbled themselves and came to Jerusalem. The hand of God was also on Judah to give them one heart to do what the king and the princes commanded by the word of the LORD." (Chronicles 30:11-12)

    The text says some tribes resisted the call to repentance, but only those tribes which the HAND OF GOD GAVE A HEART THAT OBEY THE WORD, repented. So here is a clear instance of the Spirit of God working faith and repentance in the hearts of certain persons among Israel while leaving others to their own rebellious self-will...

    Further, the OT often used terminology such as God "circumcising" the heart to indicate a work regeneration producing repentance: "And the LORD your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your offspring, so that you will love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live." (Deut 30:6) . Notice first came the circumcision of the heart, in order "that you will love the Lord your God". Circumcision of the heart preceded the person loving the Lord their God.

    God bless,

    Brother Joe
     
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