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Hummmmm What does the next verses say? Does it say the disciples asked Jesus “Who then can be saved?”

Does Jesus respond by saying, “With men it is impossible, but with God, all things are possible.”?

Context is important.

Peace to you

 

I fully agree, context is very important. What did the young man ask in Mark 10:17? "What must I do to inherit eternal life?” Jesus answers in Mark 10:21 - "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me.” If inheriting eternal life and having treasure in heaven are synonyms for eternal salvation, then Jesus is here telling us that eternal salvation is obtainable by selling what one has, giving it to the poor, and following Him in His earthly travels (i.e., works). Do you really believe this is what the Bible teaches?

 

You agree with what Jesus stated there, correct?

 

Not claim, as that is what the Bible stated!

 

You're kidding, right?

"... referring to those that heard the gospel and believed in Jesus Christ, and whose faith God crediting as righteousness, and therefore set apart in Christ." -- #1 in Saints thread

"... we enter that corporate sphere when God individually credits our faith as righteousness and places us spiritually in Christ" -- #1 in Individual Election and Corporate Election thread

"... God’s eternal covenant was to provide eternal life for those of His choosing, based on crediting their faith as righteousness, keeping His covenant of love." -- #1 in Doctrinal View thread

" ... individual election occurs, not before creation, but during our lifetime based on God crediting our faith as righteousness." -- #1 in Chosen in Him thread

"... God’s eternal covenant was to provide eternal life for those of His choosing, based on crediting their faith as righteousness" -- #1 Layman's Confession of Faith thread

That's all you, my friend. The phrase in quotes was pulled directly from your post to which I replied.

 

God is all knowing, as that fits the definition of being God!

 

The disciples asked, “who then can be saved?”

The context is the rich young man who had strived his whole life to keep the law. Jesus said he only lacked one thing.

The disciples are stunned that this man, according to Jesus, would not enter the Kingdom.

The question and answer go directly to the point that salvation depends on what God does, not on what man does.

peace to you

 

Only Van would make a sheep gate a Salvation gate!... Its a gate for disciples, you follow it you are blessed of the Lord, if you don't it leads to destruction... Not eternal... So you actually think you can follow the strait gate, from birth to death?... The only one that followed it perfectly and never wavered was Jesus Christ... And Van if there are few be that find it what are you going to do with these verses?

Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

Btw... For all you old timers and you who are new, this has always been my belief as a Sovereign Grace Baptist believer, election is not a few as some teach, what kind of election is that?... If God choose everyone, where is the election?... Did Satan get a vote, you got a vote and you know its going to be a tie, so God cast the final vote?... Its GOD'S MERCY that saved your wretched sinful hide, putting YOU in Christ, you didn't do it yourself... And Van you say the God credits our faith to us?... Did your faith save you or did the faith of Christ save you?... CREDIT?... DEBT!... You were up to your eyeballs in SIN when Jesus Christ died for YOU on the cross... You did nothing!... Quit Robbing the Lord of his Glory!... And Van one more thing, if this is an eternal gate, that you talk about in your opening OP, what are you going to do about the one thief on the cross, that Jesus told would be in paradise with him that day, that never had a chance to enter the narrow gate?... Brother Glen

 

The number of the saved by God will be much more then some of us Calvinists believe, and also much less then some non cals believe!

 

I don’t presume to know how many will be saved, but consider this....

Most Christians believe children/infants that die go to heaven. Throughout history, and even today throughout much of the world, most children do not live to adulthood. Additionally, many believe life begins at conception. Most fertilized eggs (70%?) never implant in the womb.

So, if all that is accurate, the overwhelming majority of those in heaven will never have lived in this life to adulthood and had the opportunity to share the gospel and be a part of God’s plan to bring people to salvation.

peace to you

 

With that I agree but knowing also that God is a God of justice and mercy, too many on here look more to his justice than his mercy... We all deserve his justice but because of his love for a multitude of his elect, he showed us mercy through his Eternal Son Jesus Christ, who stood where we never could stand and paid the price for our sins that we could never pay... God added us to his family, we didn't join... Brother Glen

 

Good point but I'm not worried about it because I firmly believe without a doubt, that Salvation is all of God and he WILL SAVE all he said he would, as scripture teaches, through his Eternal Son Jesus Christ!... Not even Satan can overthrow God's Sovereign Grace!... Brother Glen

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

 

You're attempting to make a distinction without a difference, and your response fails to take any responsibility for the multiplied posts quoted above. Your claim about God crediting faith in connection with salvation is manifestly wrong, and you offer not a single valid passage of Scripture to support it.

Faith at the point of salvation is never "credited as righteousness" by God, period. Not before, not during, not after. There is no passage of Scripture that teaches your utterly bogus assertion. Any statement about "credit" from God for faith associated with salvation is erroneous and reflects a fundamental ignorance of what Scripture actually teaches. The only faith that God "credits" toward righteousness is living faith, walking by faith, overcoming by faith - faith expressed in the promises of God by believers AFTER salvation. This is the faith Abraham expressed, this is the faith the Bible says God credited as righteousness, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with the point of salvation, contrary to your oft-repeated bogosities about credit related to faith at salvation. The "falsehood" here is entirely yours, my friend.