Biden DOJ Attempts To Stop Arizona Election Audit

Would you post those from Biden and Pelosi?

 

Gotcha! I just see a lot posts about Trump. Absolutely not a perfect man, but neither is Biden. Our command as believers is to pray for our leaders, I wonder if those that only have negative things to write about Trump also prayed sincerely for him or not at all. If only a ‘sinless’ person ran for president then our duty as citizens would be much easier.

Thanks for the welcome! Peace to you also.

 

And I repeat that the Church should NOT be involved in government per se. That would be a grave mistake, an error not found in my posts.

However, individual Christians should be found throughout society spreading the Gospel and both speaking and acting out God's truth. And that includes holding government positions and holding government accountable. Governments can be and are changed by transformed people, aka Christians, both from without and from within.

Again, individual Christians may be called to all manner of useful vocations, political positions should not be excluded from the list.

Also, government should not be enlisted to do the work of the Church. That is a grave error as well. The government is not called to preach or spread the Gospel, but just as certainly it is not to interfere with these either.

 

Sorry, I missed the link.

peace to you

 

I believe the total of the word of God is the contrast of government.

The government of God vs the government of men initiated through the deception brought forth by that old serpent call Satan and the devil. Adam choose for man to govern spiritually influenced and deceived by the deceiver. IMHO it will be that way until;

Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces. Dan 2:34

BTW that did not happen in 70 AD IMHO.

For the earnest expectation of the creation <Gen 2:1-3) eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation <Gen 2:1-3) was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; because the creation <Gen 2:1-3) itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

Those sons of God will be ruling with that stone cut out without hands.

Consider that above and see how it sheds light upon all the word of God. It was foreordained before the foundation of the world.

What has taken place, was before time began, going to take place.

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I like and agree with this post. I do not believe it is the job of the church to change the world of this country at this time. I do think we should pray for our leaders to seek wisdom from the Lord from local to worldwide even though I do not think they will at this time. I also believe the church should consider the answer to:

Lord teach us to pray.

 

Yes. I can only aspire to your level of maturity and virtue.

 

Oh man. You were so close!

Virtue is a quality, not a behavior.

In practically everything, you are almost there. You're all around the mark, but you seldom if ever seem to hit it. Like your wrathless cross insistence. And I observe it mostly with your statements about the Gospel, and it spills over into your civics. I never understood what it meant to be ever learning and never able to come to a knowledge of the truth, but I think I'm seeing that play out.

I have a new nickname for you: Almost There.

 

I was going to let this go, but I need to clarify something for the lurkers. The following is not a true statement.

Republican atheist is just as opposed to God as is an atheist Democrat. An anti-gay atheist is just as opposed to God as is a pro-gay atheist.
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This confuses the law and grace. It's a common mistake. People tend to think that because we are under grace, there is no more law in the earth. But that is a deadly mistake to make. There is law in the earth, and the nations of the earth are dealt with according to their adherence thereto. Till heaven and earth pass, not one jot or tittle shall pass from the law. Until the day of judgment, people will be marrying and giving in marriage, as in the days of Noah till the rains came.

Marriage is a matter of law, as it is written, Thou shalt not commit adultery.

So there is law in the earth. Grace, though, is in heaven. And it's according to the Righteousness of God, not the law (righteousness doesn't come by the law), that people will be judged. One will either be clothed in the righteousness of God, or not. Good or evil. Whole or corrupt.

But that doesn't apply on earth. In earth there is a righteousness which is of the law, described by Moses, that the man which doeth those things shall live by them--in the earth, that is. This principle is in the Decalogue itself, in the first commandment with promise, Honour thy father and mother that it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth. That isn't a promise to believers only.

That is the righteousness that exalts a nation, Proverbs 14:34 , and to the degree that a nation (or individual in the earth) is faithful to that law, he is righteous, regardless of his faith.

To say that there is no difference in righteousness between a party that blesses marriage and the church, and one that curses them, is about as unbiblical an assertion, and thereby as unchristian, as one can get.

"They're all the same!"

It's a common copout, usually uttered to cuck one's critics, if not uttered in ignorance or sloth. It's uttered almost as much to appear to take a middle-of-the-road approach in an attempt to insulate one's self from criticism from either side, or to pacify the defenders of truth so that one's more liberal agendas may advance.

 

Catholic church has a dominionist view of this world, as do some protestants. They believe we are living in the millennial reign of Christ right now, and the church must take dominion over and rule this world.

A protestant pastor I know teaches Christ can not return until the church has converted the entire world, as in literally Christianized it, so that there exists no other false religions, they then hand over a perfected Christianized world to Christ who can then return to rule the kingdom. He is on the record about this, and that the church has failed and is lazy and that is why Christ can not return. He was also teaching the youth they will be kings and rulers over this world. That there is no coming antichrist as Nero was the antichrist, revelation is past was for the first century only, this earth and heaven is eternal, no ending in sudden destruction for the world, that we are right now living in the new heavens and new earth Peter teaches about. He confided to me he could not imagine all the great cities and technologies of man being destroyed in a fiery destruction, so preferred to believe something else, so it seem to me he is in love with the earth, technology, etc...He is another flavor of dominionist. Nothing I said made him change his mind.

 

...said the blind man.

Anyway, here's a thought: if you don't like interacting with me, refrain from tagging me in your posts.

 

You doth protest too much, methinks.

But, if you wish, pick a theological point--just one--that I've been dishonest or erroneous about, and we'll hash it out. Interminable posts about generalities are a tedium in which I don't wish to engage for long.

 

Maybe. Or perhaps we have a different understanding of her being involved in something. Or both.