So honest questions about what constitutes biblical separation; or concern that BJIII didn't tell the truth completely, means that I am attacking them?
I wonder what Billy Graham would have thought about Bob Jones' actions.
Because Billy Graham and Bob Jones disagreed about what constituted cooperation with liberals, Bob Jones went on the war path against Billy Graham. And what did Billy do? Nothing. He ignored them which probably made them even more mad!
Attacking? It all depends on which side of the fence you are standing, eh?
Bob Jones III lied to Larry King
Discussion in 'Baptist Colleges & Seminaries' started by Paul33, Dec 22, 2004.
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"Teachable" means willing to learn. I don't sense that in you. I have tried to be that. I have listened to other perspective and weighed them against Scripture. Your method of argumentation about BJU in general seems like this. It is interesting as well that I rarely see you post on any other topic. Perhaps I just miss it adn we frequent different places, but it seems like this is really a thorn under your saddle and you can't let it go and let them obey God in teh dictates of their conscience. You know, I think BJU is wrong on many things (different things than you no doubt), but I don't constantly go after them. In fact, people have accused me of giving them a free pass because I don't constantly go after them. It seems like you can't let it go.
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Pastor Larry,
I post on a variety of issues: Calvinism, YEC vs. OEC, Abortion, pharmakon. You should remember that one. We had the same kind of unfruitful discussion. You're right, I'm wrong, etc.
I will say this as kindly as I can. You have a propensity for playing psychologist with the people you disagree with. You throw out little asides as to what you think might be a person's motivation, besmirching that person's argument. -
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Both NBBC and BJU separate over the issue of a post-trib rapture.
Both separate over views concerning spiritual gifts.
Both separate over views relating to Calvinism.
Both separate over attending evangelical seminaries.
How is it that I am "teachable" when I attend TEDS (M.Div.) or Gordon-Conwell (D.Min.), but unteachable when I attend BJU or NBBC?
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When you can't concede the point that "feeling attacked" depends on which side of the fence one is standing on, you prove my point.
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Both NBBC and BJU separate over the issue of a post-trib rapture.Click to expand...
Both separate over views concerning spiritual gifts.Click to expand...
Both separate over views relating to Calvinism.Click to expand...
Both separate over attending evangelical seminaries.Click to expand...
How is it that I am "teachable" when I attend TEDS (M.Div.) or Gordon-Conwell (D.Min.), but unteachable when I attend BJU or NBBC?Click to expand...
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Pastor Larry,
It's demeaning. It's personal. It's unfounded.
Now I have used "personal" questions in my most recent posts to get at this issue with you.
We should be able discuss this issue without wondering aloud what might be under someone's bonnet.
As to absurdities, that's the point. The logical conclusion of many tenents of false fundamentalists is absurdity. Attending a Billy Graham crusdade was actually a no-no for some and would bring about the charge of new-evangelicalism. Just saying you liked Billy Graham could get one ostracized! -
When you can't concede the point that "feeling attacked" depends on which side of the fence one is standing on, you prove my point.Click to expand...
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We've done some cross-posting here, so I just want to say, thanks for the discussion.
I appreciate your hand of friendship, and though we disagree, I hope it's friendly disagreement.
What I was saying about " not being teachable" only occured at schools like NBBC and BJU. I also graduated with a M.A. in counseling from Liberty. Again, only in fundamentalist schools is disagreement tagged with the "not teachable label." Funny, isn't it?
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It's demeaning. It's personal. It's unfounded.Click to expand...
Now I have used "personal" questions in my most recent posts to get at this issue with you.Click to expand...
We should be able discuss this issue without wondering aloud what might be under someone's bonnet.Click to expand...
As to absurdities, that's the point. The logical conclusion of many tenents of false fundamentalists is absurdity.Click to expand...
Attending a Billy Graham crusdade was actually a no-no for some and would bring about the charge of new-evangelicalism.Click to expand...
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Tenor and tone of fundamentalists.
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I hope it's friendly disagreement.Click to expand...
Again, only in fundamentalist schools is disagreement tagged with the "not teachable label." Funny, isn't it?Click to expand...
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Tenor and tone of fundamentalists.Click to expand...
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Originally posted by Pastor Larry:
Abortion is not the law. No one is requiring you to have an abortion. But segregation was different. It was not a matter of taking human life. In the cause of life, I do not get to disobey the law. Segregation was wrong to be sure, but we can not disobey God.Click to expand...
Better read in James when James talks about pure and undefiled religion. It is standing up and taking care of the downtrodden and those who cannot take care of themselves. So you say it is okay to stand with the unrighteous and go along with the law even when it violates scripture.
Better read your Bible again in Acts about disobeying the law when the apostles were told not to share their faith but they refused. How about the book of Daniel when Daniel refused to stop praying? Who is your God? The law of the land or God himself?
God is God and sometimes making Him Lord requires taking the tough road. It is easy to criticize others and take the easy road when it is comfortable but what about taking the high road of righteousness? It is road less traveled of Christ that is the only road there really is that honors Christ.
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You are confusing a couple of things. We are to disobey government when it commands us to disobey God. No other time. Based on that, your post answers itself.
Taking God's road is certainly tough, but our commitment must be to obedience, not expediency. We must operated by God's commands even when it is unpopular.
And don't think I am defending segregation or slavery. I am not. I didn't say it was okay to stand with the unrighteous and go along with a law that violates Scripture. I never said anything even remotely similar to that, and you know it. -
NIV Proverbs 24:11 Rescue those being led away to death; hold back those staggering toward slaughter.
What about this verse Larry?
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I think you counsel, evangelize, give alternatives, love, and provide help. I don't think you can physically restrain someone from getting an abortion. We can't disobey the law on a matter such as this and I don't think it helps the cause in the long run anyway. Sit-ins that block doors and driveways are illegal and should not be used. Abortion is a horrible blight on America and the world at large. We have killed a generation and we should be ashamed about that.
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Originally posted by Pastor Larry:
GB,
You are confusing a couple of things. We are to disobey government when it commands us to disobey God. No other time. Based on that, your post answers itself.
Taking God's road is certainly tough, but our commitment must be to obedience, not expediency. We must operated by God's commands even when it is unpopular.
And don't think I am defending segregation or slavery. I am not. I didn't say it was okay to stand with the unrighteous and go along with a law that violates Scripture. I never said anything even remotely similar to that, and you know it.Click to expand...
Isn't that compromise? Refusing to stand up against unrighteousness is disobedience to God.
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