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Call on the name of the Lord

Kathryn

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Is to call on the name of the Lord a one time event? Or, is it part of an ongoing commitment and relationship with Jesus Christ, according to the Bible?

For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED." How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher? Romans 10:13-14

To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours : 1 Corinthians 1:2

Now flee from youthful lusts and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart. 2 Timothy 2:22

'AND IT SHALL BE THAT EVERYONE WHO CALLS ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.' Acts 2:21

'Now why do you delay? Get up and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name.' Acts 22:16
I believe to “call on the name of the Lord” is an ongoing lifelong dependency on God, not a one time event in the past. I hope that everyone here calls on the name of the Lord everyday of his or her life.

Some here have said they never pray to Jesus Christ, only the Father, but here is a simple prayer said by millions for close to 2000 years:

“Lord Jesus Christ, Son of the Living God, have mercy on me a sinner.”

God Bless
 

Carson Weber

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To "call on the name of the Lord" would mean, in First Century Jewish ears, to make an oath (Latin: sacramentum), thereby entering into a covenant. A promise is upgraded to an oath through this oath-swearing that occurs when one "calls on the name of the Lord". Essentially, this occurs in baptism, when one is baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

For a 21st c. American, 20 centuries separated from First Century Jewish culture, we wouldn't recognize the import of this passage - instead, we devise "altar calls" (an altar presupposes a sacrifice to be offered upon the altar, which makes you wonder why it's called an 'altar call' to begin with if the Lord's Supper isn't considered a sacrifice by our separated brethren) and "the sinner's prayer", which are good but not enough to enter into covenant, the New Covenant.
 

Kathryn

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To "call on the name of the Lord" would mean, in First Century Jewish ears, to make an oath (Latin: sacramentum), thereby entering into a covenant. A promise is upgraded to an oath through this oath-swearing that occurs when one "calls on the name of the Lord".
Essentially, this occurs in baptism, when one is baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

For a 21st c. American, 20 centuries separated from First Century Jewish culture, we wouldn't recognize the import of this passage - instead, we devise "altar calls" (an altar presupposes a sacrifice to be offered upon the altar, which makes you wonder why it's called an 'altar call' to begin with if the Lord's Supper isn't considered a sacrifice by our separated brethren) and "the sinner's prayer", which are good but not enough to enter into covenant, the New Covenant.
Thanks for the input, Carson. This is very significant it seems to me.

God Bless
 

John Gilmore

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The Kyrie (Kyrie Eleison, Christe Eleison, Kyrie Eleison):

Lord, have mercy upon us.
Christ, have mercy upon us.
Lord, have mercy upon us.

In the Kyrie, we call upon the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. We approach Him as miserable beggars pleading for mercy.
 

John Gilmore

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Originally posted by Kathryn:
Is to call on the name of the Lord a one time event? Or, is it part of an ongoing commitment and relationship with Jesus Christ, according to the Bible?

We return to our Baptism each day as we call upon the name of the Lord through repentance and faith.

Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Romans 6:3-7
 

Kathryn

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It is interesting here how this verse doesn't say: Call on His name, your sins get covered over, and sometime later get baptized.

It says clearly:
'Now why do you delay? Get up and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name.' Acts 22:16
God Bless
 

Kathryn

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John: The similarities are striking between the Lutherans and Catholics. I read on a website:
http://www.its.caltech.edu/~tan/bachbminor/luther.html

In fact, Luther had retained the Kyrie, Gloria in excelsis, Credo, and Sanctus movements of the Catholic Ordinarium Missae for use in Protestant churches.
I also read that Lutherans make the sign of the cross and say "In the name of the Father, and the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, Amen".

I am glad that these ancient rites and prayers are respected.

Do Lutherans believe that baptism washes away sin as in Acts 22:16?

God Bless
 

John Gilmore

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Kathryn,

Luther’s goal was to reform the mass, not abolish it. Most of the ancient offices have been retained including the entire series of Introits, Collects, Epistles, and Gospels dating from the time of Charlemagne. The Common Service of the Lutheran Church is probably more traditional than your current mass.

Yes, all Lutherans believe in Baptismal regeneration. The Holy Spirit creates faith through Baptism. Here is a lovely infant Baptismal hymn.

At Jesus’ feet our infant sweet
We lay with all sin’s stain,
That renders him/her for heav’n unmeet
Until he’s/she’s born again.
We here embrace God’s mighty grace
In this baptismal wave,
Nor shall the world our trust efface-
For “Baptism now doth save.”

We cannot see the Holy Three
Concealed the font within,
Mere water seems the mystery
That cleanses us from sin;
But everlasting gifts now dwell
Through God’s Word in this flood;
Faith speaks, though reason may rebel:
“This flood is Jesus’ blood!”

At Jesus’ Feet Our Infant Sweet, M. Loy
 

John Gilmore

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In this hymn, we call upon the Holy Ghost:

Come, Holy Ghost, in love
Shed on us from above
Thine own bright ray.
Divinely good Thou art;
Thy sacred gifts impart
To gladden each sad heart.
Oh, come today!
2. Come, tenderest Friend and best,
Our most delightful Guest,
With soothing power.
Rest which the weary know,
Shade mid the noontide glow,
Peace when deep griefs o'erflow,
Cheer us this hour.
3. Come, Light serene and still,
Our inmost bosoms fill,
Dwell in each breast.
We know no dawn but Thine;
Send forth Thy beams divine
On our dark souls to shine
And make us blest.
4. Exalt our low desires,
Extinguish passion's fires,
Heal every wound.
Our stubborn spirits bend,
Our icy coldness end,
Our devious steps attend
While heavenward bound.
5. Come, all the faithful bless;
Let all who Christ confess
His praise employ.
Give virtue's rich reward,
Victorious death accord
And, with our glorious Lord,
Eternal joy.


Veni, Creator Spiritus
 

Kathryn

New Member
John: Just for a little historical backround, that hymn was written by a devout Catholic, King Robert II of France, also called Robert the Pius.


http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/c/o/comehgil.htm

Come, Holy Ghost, in love, shed on us from above
Thine own bright ray! Divinely good Thou art;
Thy sacred gifts impart to gladden each sad heart.
O come today!

Come, tenderest Friend, and best, our most delightful Guest,
With soothing power. Rest, which the weary know,
Shade, mid the noontide glow. Peace when deep griefs overflow.
Cheer us this hour!

Come, Light serene and still, our inmost bosoms fill,
Dwell in each breast. We know no dawn but Thine;
Send forth Thy beams divine on our dark souls to shine
And make us blessed.

Exalt our low desires, extinguish passion’s fires,
Heal every wound. Our stubborn spirits bend,
Our icy coldness end, our devious steps attend
While heavenward bound.

Come, all the faithful bless, let all who Christ confess
His praise employ; give virtue’s rich reward,
Victorious death accord, and, with our glorious Lord,
Eternal joy!

Words: King Robert II of France (972-1031); translated to English by Ray Palmer, 1858, in his Poetical Works (New York: 1876).


http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_II_of_France


Robert II, the Pious (972 - 1031) was King of France from 996 to 1031. A member of the Capetian Dynasty, Robert II was born on March 27, 972 in Orleans, France, the son of King Hugh Capet (938-996) and Adelaide of Aquitaine (952-1004).

In 987, Robert’s father had the nobles crown him as successor at Orléans on December 30th, thereby confirming the house of Capet as rulers of France. After Robert became king he did as his father and crowned his eldest son Hugh as his successor. But, due to Prince Hugh's death, another son, Henri, became king.

Robert, despite marital problems that saw him temporarily excommunicated by Pope Gregory V, was a very devout Roman Catholic, hence the name Robert the Pious. He was very musically inclined and was a composer, a chorister, and a poet, making his palace a place of religious seclusion, where he conducted the matins and vespers in his royal robes. Part of Robert's piety at the time, was because he did not tolerate heretics and harshly punished them.

The kingdom Robert inherited was not large, and in an effort to increase his power, he vigorously pursued his claim to any of the feudal lands as they became vacant which action usually resulted in war with a counter-claimant. In 1003, his invasion of Burgundy was thwarted and it would not be until 1016 that he was finally able to get the support of the Church and be recognized as the Duke of Burgundy.

The pious King Robert II made few friends and many enemies, including his own sons Henri and Robert. They turned against their father, in a civil war for power and property. King Robert’s army was beaten and he retreated to Beaugency outside Paris.
He died in the middle of the war with his sons on July 20, 1031 at Melun, France. He was interred with his third wife, Constance d'Arles (973-July 25, 1032) in Saint Denis Basilica.

God Bless
 

John Gilmore

New Member
Kathryn,

According to The Handbook of the Lutheran Hymnal,

It has been attributed to Robert II of France, Stephen Langton, Innocent III, and others. The authorship of the last-named is considered the most plausible by competent authorities.
 

Kathryn

New Member
Veni, Sancte Spiritus, known as the Golden Sequence, is the sequence for the Mass for Pentecost. It is commonly regarded as one of the greatest masterpieces of sacred Latin poetry ever written. Its beauty and depth have been praised by many. The hymn has been attributed to three different authors, King Robert II the Pious of France (970-1031), Pope Innocent III (1161-1216), and Stephen Langton (d 1228), Archbishop of Canterbury.
Catholic sources seem to agree to these three choices.

God Bless
 

Kathryn

New Member
We share this one also, written by a Benedictine Monk. This is the one I know best.


"Come, Holy Ghost, Creator Blest"
by Rhabanus Maurus, 776-856

1. Come, Holy Ghost, Creator blest,
Vouchsafe within our souls to rest;
Come with Thy grace and heavenly aid
And fill the hearts which Thou hast made.

2. To Thee, the Comforter, we cry,
To Thee, the Gift of God Most High,
The Fount of life, the Fire of love,
The soul's Anointing from above.

3. The sevenfold gifts of grace are thine,
O Finger of the Hand Divine;
True promise of the Father Thou,
Who dost the tongue with speech endow.

4. Thy light to every thought impart
And shed Thy love in every heart;
The weakness of our mortal state
With deathless might invigorate.

5. Drive far away our wily Foe
And Thine abiding peace bestow;
If Thou be our protecting Guide,
No evil can our steps betide.

6. Make Thou to us the Father known,
Teach us the eternal Son to won
And Thee, whose name we ever bless,
Of both the Spirit, to confess.

7. Praise we the Father and the Son
And Holy Spirit, with them One;
And may the Son on us bestow
The gifts that from the Spirit flow! Amen.


http://www.ctsfw.edu/etext/hymnals/tlh/creator_blest.tlh


God Bless
 

John Gilmore

New Member
There is also uncertainty about the authorship of this hymn.

This hymn has taken a deeper hold on Western Christendom than any other medievel hymn except the Te Deum, and yet very little is known definitely about its authorship. It has been attributed to Charlemagne, Gregory the Great, Ambrose of Milan and Rhabanus Maurus. The Handbook of The Lutheran Hymnal
 

Singer

New Member
One of my favorite verses is:

"Romans 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
and shalt believe in thine heart that God
hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.


This would be a good approach to a non-believer who is scheduled to
die at the hands of capital punishment, or to someone who was going
down with you on a doomed jetliner.

I often wonder what MORE we can do to receive Christ and subsequent
salvation than just what is in that verse. My upbringing in the 2x2 Organization
that required the need to "profess" to unity with that group of believers always
seemed questionable. More emphasis was put on separating from other believers
and churches and following the ways of the "Truth" as they called themselves; than
there was put on the need to accept Jesus Christ as one's personal Lord and
saviour. "Follow Jesus" was a common suggestion. Others were "become more like
Jesus", "listen to the still small voice" and of course the all time favorite to "profess".

It seemed to me that Romans 10:9 was not thorough enough for these people
as they required membership in their home meetings and disciplines by the "workers"
whom they looked up to and reverened.

It's been 40 years since I left that group; only to learn that Catholicism requires
much the same thing. Departure from other believers(Protestants) ....the need
to join their church (Catholic) and high regard (to the point of worship) of their
leaders (the pope)
.

The topic of this thread ([To] call upon the name of the Lord) seems a simple thing
to me. How could one sect or individual justifiably deride another in their pursuits
of calling upon the Lord? This is what takes place in these exclusive sects that I have
mentioned and there are plenty more. The favorite verse seems to hinge on a
needed action by the participants, and the topic is "Believe". I've been told it is
not enough to "believe in the name of the Lord", but that it requires me to do this
and do that and join X Church or (in the case of the 2x2s....No Church) and follow
the advice of certain leaders because they have the authority based on historical
proof that makes them superior to others. The 2x2s claim to be based on Christ
himself and that their mode of worship is what Christ established on earth.....including
meeting in homes and sending out their ministers (workers) in pairs. Anything
less than than was a sign of a heretical church. And, all churches themselves were
said to be manmade and therefore the "blind leading the blind". They said there
would be many who would say "Lord Lord" and would still be rejected as "I never
knew you". This preaching would scare many to tow the line and join their ''way'' or
at least stay in it once involved.

"I never knew you"........is used by Catholics also. I don't recall Protestant churches
using scripture in a threatening way for the purpose of exalting itself. The RCC does.
Our friend, Kelly is busy studying so I can talk safely about her church
......referring to
the Sabbath thing and the emphasis that the SDA puts on resting on Saturday. Those
people may have also "called on the Lord" for salvation, but I cannot honor the
emphasis they put on baptismal regeneration, a succession of papal authority and
church authority, Sabbath rest etc.

Can't the prisoner about to receive the death penalty also call upon the name of
the Lord, confess with the mouth and believe in thy heart unto salvation without
going to Mass, receiving baptism, or joining one of the many sects or (cults) that
exist today. The association with one of these sects would only bring approval
by THAT sect's members and the rest would reject his approach to God anyhow.

This is what is happening on this forum also.

In my witnessing, I STOP with Romans 10:9 without suggesting churches
in a prejudiciall manner.
 
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