atpollard
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That is just plain silly.
What about TOTAL INABILITY (aka Total Depravity)?
That is part of Calvinism. It is clearly found in scripture. Is that “unbiblical philosophy based on godless, human, unbiblical reasoning”?
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Calvanism Disproven
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What about TOTAL INABILITY (aka Total Depravity)?
That is part of Calvinism. It is clearly found in scripture. Is that “unbiblical philosophy based on godless, human, unbiblical reasoning”?
Just an opportunity to bash the bogey man you do not understand
It's quite the phenomena these days, there's several 'Calvinist-slayers' on board now.
canadyjd
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Ok, but that doesn’t answer the question. Your statement in post #9 was that salvation cannot honestly be offered to all according to Calvinism.
What is the difference between God commanding we offer salvation to all even though only the elect will respond (Calvinism) and God commanding we offer salvation to all even though God already knows who will reject the gospel.
peace to you
Look at all the advocates for something that is obviously false!
Does God give grace to the humble but opposes the proud? Yes, thus God can conditionally choose to give grace to some and not to others. A falselogy would deny this.
Can they dodge it by saying God makes the proud humble, then gives His grace? Nope because making the person humble is an act of grace.
Did Paul speak to new Christians as he would to men of flesh using spiritual milk? Yes. Thus rather than total spiritual inability the actual biblical doctrine is limited spiritual ability, able to understand and embrace spiritual milk but not spiritual solid food (meat.)
Did Christ purchase those never to be saved? Yes so Christ died as a ransom for all of humanity, not just the elect. Thus the logical necessity that all of the elect had not yet been chosen individually before Christ died. Therefore, our gospel's promise is valid, everyone believing into Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
Does God give grace to the humble but opposes the proud? Yes, thus God can conditionally choose to give grace to some and not to others. A falselogy would deny this.
Can they dodge it by saying God makes the proud humble, then gives His grace? Nope because making the person humble is an act of grace.
Did Paul speak to new Christians as he would to men of flesh using spiritual milk? Yes. Thus rather than total spiritual inability the actual biblical doctrine is limited spiritual ability, able to understand and embrace spiritual milk but not spiritual solid food (meat.)
Did Christ purchase those never to be saved? Yes so Christ died as a ransom for all of humanity, not just the elect. Thus the logical necessity that all of the elect had not yet been chosen individually before Christ died. Therefore, our gospel's promise is valid, everyone believing into Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
Reformed1689
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This post is just dumb.
2 Peter 3:9 shows calvinism false-The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
And if that aint enough, there's Rev. 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me.
So, to let Him in, one must ACT-getting up & opening the door. Very few times has He ever forced Himself in on anyone as He did Moses, Jeremiah, ot Paul.
And if that aint enough, there's Rev. 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me.
So, to let Him in, one must ACT-getting up & opening the door. Very few times has He ever forced Himself in on anyone as He did Moses, Jeremiah, ot Paul.
By its very nature Calvinism is a myth. Hebrews says to focus on Jesus and not anyone else. Even Calvin said when his theology is taken too far it has problems. I have not found Calvin in the Bible and I have not found Calvinism when a text is interpreted in light of it its historical and literary context. The epistles have a form that must be followed when interpreted. Many of the words in NT have a historical background found in the OT and at times they are reinterpreted in the NT. It always helps when discussing these issues to take a look at the text and exegete the passage rather than take work through the filter of a systematic theology.
Roby, you are clueless regarding the two verses you quote. Neither verses are teaching what you are forcing into them by your own teaching. Thus, I find your comments absolutely funny in their irrelevance to this thread.
If you understood Calvin at all, you would realize that he simply wrote down what he observed in scripture about Jesus and the means by which Jesus saves. Did Calvin make up his observations from some place outside of scripture?
Well formed argument.
Reformed1689
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Trust me the OP didn't deserve more than that.
Reformed1689
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gift
■ noun
1 a thing given willingly to someone without payment; a present.
▶ informal a very easy task or unmissable opportunity.
2 a natural ability or talent.
■ verb
1 give as a gift, especially formally.
▶ informal inadvertently allow (an opponent) to have something.
2 (gift someone with) endow someone with (an ability or talent).
▶ [as adjective gifted] having exceptional talent or ability.
—PHRASES
in the gift of (of a Church living or official appointment) in the power of (someone) to award.
—DERIVATIVES giftable adjective (US). giftedness noun
—ORIGIN Middle English: from Old Norse gipt; related to GIVE.
Catherine Soanes and Angus Stevenson, eds., Concise Oxford English Dictionary (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2004).
Where is the requirement of acceptance in these definitions?
37818
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It is a damnable lie to offer what is not really offered.
If you had read Calvin's Institutes then you would know he said that if his theology were taken too far it would lead to trouble. I don't find that in agreement with the Bible. At the time he was alive I doubt he knew about the form of an epistle and how to correctly it according to its literary context. I am confident he know little or nothing about the difference between a Greek and Hebrew culture and therefor knew how to interpret a text in light of its historical and literary context.
You insulted me. And you don't think you should repent?
You aren't answering my question.
Did Calvin write his observations from reading his Bible or from some other source?
He also said what he did about what he wrote. That means he knew enough to know what the limitations of what he wrote were. He also recognized the imperfection of what he wrote. Therefore he said his interpretation was not 100% correct. It does not matter what he wrote. What matters is what is God breathed. You can spend your time reading what man says about what God says or you can read and study what God says. Those who are trained to recognize counterfeits are trained to recognize the genuine. So spend your time study God's word and interpreting it in light of its historical and literary context. Many Christians have become laughing stock because they have a "repeat after me" theology. Most Christians do not know how to correctly interpret Mark 1:2, 3.
atpollard
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Hypothetically, a King was holding a great feast and invited everyone ... but everyone refused to come (For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light, so that his deeds will not be exposed). Therefore, the King personally persuaded some to come (No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day. It is written in the Prophets: ‘AND THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT OF GOD.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.) and changed, not their minds, but their hearts (Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. ... Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what are we to do?” ... A woman named Lydia was listening; she was a seller of purple fabrics from the city of Thyatira, and a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to respond to the things spoken by Paul.)
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