1. You have labored and labored, yet they will not have it any other way.
2. Their minds are already made; nothing we say will change that.
3. I know of one gentleman who came under the pretence that he doesn't know much about Calvinism, yet he has asked that it be banned as a heresy.
4. Frankly speaking, it would be good not to enter into debates unless someone is truly seeking to understand why we are dubbed Calvinists. But for the most part, on BB, not a few are set against what is called Calvinism.
Calvin Was A Man...
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by TCGreek, Aug 27, 2007.
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I see both predestination and free will all through the scriptures. I am not going to be so stubborn as to say otherwise. I have enjoyed the discussions with my Calvin friends. There are a few that are super hyper-c and I do not have much in common with them.
But, unity can be attained simply by loving one another the way our Lord commanded.
I will not seek unity in situations where the very basics of our faith is in question, such as the diety of Christ, His authority to remove all sin (ME doctrine), the Trinity, the inerrancy of scripture, ect. (I think you get the idea). These are unbiblical and un-Christian doctrines and there can be no unity between these beliefs and mine. -
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You can find the doctrine(s) of grace in plenty of biblical locations . Try these chapters just for starters : Luke 10 ; John 6,10,17 ; Romans 3,8,9 ,11 ; Ephesians 1,2,5 . That's Grace 101 .
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From the London Baptist Confession of Faith dated 1644
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Thanks James, that will take me awhile to go through it. :) But, I will.
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But the goal Linda64 espoused is much larger than unity between two Christians who disagree over Calvinism. It is a unity among all Christians she believes is possible. That's what I meant when I described it as an impossibility this side of heaven. That is, unless all of them were like you. -
Amy , I am going to be presumptuous enough to say that the Calvinists here all appreciate you .
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Amy should feel so honored...I have never gotten the calvinist appreciation award before ;)
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I would like to thank........:laugh:
Seriously, I appreciate you guys. I have actually learned a lot from my Cal. buddies.
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Speaking of unity. During the ME debates, I saw Baptists of all stripes come together to refute that false teaching. We were all unified at that time because we had a common goal to defend our faith!
Even though we all have our differences, we are still all the same in that we are God's children and He loves each one of us and we love Him. -
Meaning, we may spend some time debating, it may get hot, but if we be brethren, let it be to sharpen ourselves, and not forget that there are those out to spread damnables hereies and ravish the sheep. -
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For one to believe, it must be his decision based on the gospel whether he is a sinful man or a sinless infant (average age of SBC pastors' conversion is about ~6 years old). Tell me all the entreaties of the Spirit you possibly can, NONE force or make irresistible the saving knowledge of Christ.
Sin nature
Total sovereignty
Unconditional election
Limited Atonement
Irresistible Grace
Perseverance (NOT preservation, BTW) of the Saints
total sovereignty of God
Doctrines of grace
Whosoever
All
Etc.
How can one help from reading into scripture (ISOgete) rather than reading our of scripture (EXOgete) when one doesn't like God's words nor to acknowledge the meaning behind them? And whose theology does one come up with when God's words are not respected?
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It is y'all that stand firm on doctrines of men/Calvin.
skypair
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