Featured Calvinism and John 3:16

Sigh, free-willers only read one verse and make up their theology from the faulty lens one verse. While everyone else understands that the whole of God's Word teaches us the plain reading of the text.

The problem is that free-willers know they have no leg to stand on if they allow all of scripture to interpret their stand alone theology so they avoid the whole of scripture like it is a plague, even going so far as to say that people who follow all of God's Word are cult members. It is amazing how bad free-willers are at Bible study.

 

And the question is WHO believes? Those that are chosen. And, I also don't believe John 3:16 is Jesus speaking either by the wya.

 

Or...perhaps it is the entire gospel of John that tells us that Jesus died for those the Father has given to him.
Honestly the myopia of free-willers is awful.

 

Now you know that is neither fair nor accurate. We simply don't read something into the text that is not written there. For example, I maintain that this verse does not deal with the specifics of who Jesus died for.

 

Wow!

 

Exactly. Perhaps if he didn't focus on three verses and instead focused on the whole book he would learn something...

 

Wow what?

 

Must define all and world per the lens of the scripture. and not wanting to have it that God would be unfair to "limit the Atonement"

 

Goes back to "fairness" for them!

 

No amount of free will causes anyone to be born from God. John 1:13. Unless God gives one the new birth one is "toast." Titus 1:2. Revelation 3:5, Revelation 20:15 toast.

 

They don't. Which is precisely why they think the gospel is foolishness and they will not believe. Read all of Romans in one sitting and actually follow the entire letter.
God must act upon the heart and quicken it from death to life...before they can believe. Until that point, I may as well be talking to a rock. But God. Go and find that phrase in scripture. Look for it and see what follows when that phrase is used. But God, even while we were dead in our sins. But God....made us alive with Christ. Honestly, how stubborn do you have to be to not understand how radically important God is in our salvation?

 

You and I are friends and I wouldn't want that to change. I would never let anyone teach that in my church and would disfellowship anyone who claimed it.

 

Who claimed what? That John 3:16 were not the words of Jesus? Surely this is not the first time you have heard this. It is divided as to whether they were direct words of Christ or if it was an aside from John as the "narrator" of the story. That doesn't change the theological significance so I don't see the big dea.

 

Therefore God must choose to make a person alive before they can believe. Yes?

 

As RC Sproul once said, "Fair, you want God to be fair!?" Prepare to spend eternity in hell if you want fairness.

 

Im sure you don't

 

Who made this argument?

 

which is what Calvinism does!

 

So do you think the Red Letters are more important than the rest of Scripture? Because I definitely do not believe that nor do I think God intended that.

 

On the contrary, God limited the atonement.