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Featured Calvinism Fact Sheet #2, by Joel Barnes: Unconditional Election

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Alan Gross, Mar 30, 2021.

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  1. Yeshua1

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    Per the Bible, NONE seeking after God themselves!
     
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    Which implies all are lost first!
     
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    has ANY save Jesus be Holy, as God is? As need moral perfection to get to heaven and bypass hell!
     
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    The soul that sins must die and then face judgement!
     
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    My how some hate God if Calvin was right...........
     
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    The Bible does not say this.
     
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    This is just as compelling as saying, "Wow, how some hate God if Joseph Smith was right."
     
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    So Isaiah and Paul misheard from God on this?
     
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    was Calvin even saved per you then?
     
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    It is more likely that modern man has misread Isaiah and Paul using the faulty practice of proof-texting (quoting out of context).
     
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    Had to misquote pretty clear statement that none seek after the Lord!
     
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    Where does it say that?
     
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    Isaiah 53:6
     
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    That doesn't say what you claim. Astray means one is straying from somewhere that is not astray. In order to go astray, you have to have been on the right path to begin with.

    Clearly this has nothing to do with what has been claimed by you.
     
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    They wandered away from God their Shepard!
     
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    How did you interpret the Isaiah passage to mean, "Per the Bible, NONE seeking after God themselves!"? They were already with Him but then they want astray. I don't see one arrives at the "none seek" interpretation from that.
     
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    Just sayin' "be careful."
     
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    9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

    10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

    11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

    12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
     
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    There is no free will....those who seek are being effectually drawn by the Father;
    37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

    38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

    39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

    40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.

    42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?

    43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.

    44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
     
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