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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by evangelist6589, Mar 23, 2017.

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  1. HankD

    HankD Well-Known Member
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    Suit yourself.

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    I do not believe that Hank is a semi-Pelagian. He does not believe that man can make the initial steps toward a right relationship with God.

    I cannot say how much of American Christianity is semi-Pelagianism. I suspect much of it is full-blown Pelagian; and much of it doesn't even concern itself with such old-fashioned things but is dedicated to feel-goodism.
     
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    I believe we shouldn't ignore the influences inherent in each of these views (Augustine, Calvin, Beza, the Canons of Fort,....Luther, Zwingli...Karl Barth... ect) as they are often colored with hues of reactionary emphasis to certain teachings.
     
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    He's not. Hank has been on this forum for 16 years. We pretty much know where he stands.

    You, on the other hand, have been here for 2 months. You don't quite have enough experience to make such determinations about us and where we stand. :)
     
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    That is really all the Canons of Dort were, a reaction to the Remonstrance. :)
     
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    Yes, as those who have been granted by God the ears to hear shall hear Him and live!
     
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    Good points, as there were more than just those 2 who were involved in articulating what would become known as Calvinistic theology,,,
    And Augustine still would hold to catholic theology regarding salvation as in the sacraments, would he not, unlike Calvin?
     
    #67 Yeshua1, Mar 28, 2017
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    Sure. And they both accepted infant baptism, but for different reasons.
     
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    Spoken like a semi-pelagian.
     
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    I am not a Pelagian semi or otherwise, I'm a Gemini!

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    May the stars be with you...and your semi-pelagian ways.
     
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    I never met God half way, He dragged me into the kingdom.

    HankD
     
    #72 HankD, Mar 28, 2017
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    Are you sure, cause that's a Calvinist claim.
     
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    That's my own story, others have a different one.
    I was running away from God because I thought He would destroy me when He caught me.
    I had been reading the OT (Law) in my barracks and it slaughtered me. I had absolutely no hope. I came to the light while reading the Gospel of John.

    Some Christians go gently into the kingdom.

    Grace alone and free will are not mutually exclusive in my estimation.
    In some folks there seems to be a harmony there as they come to Christ.
    I would be dishonest to deny that observation.

    HankD
     
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    It can seem that way, but the Bible doesn't present that and neither does your own testimony. Our response to God making us alive can be nearly instantaneous, which may seem like we chose something. But we are reacting to God's goodness and Spirit filling. It is glorious as your testimony can attest.
    Why such reticence to acknowledging God's full work in salvation and your blessed response. Just as Paul never chose Jesus, but was chosen against his will, so you and I did the same thing. But, when God gripped us we both responded "My God and King."

    Grace can only be grace when God alone is the cause agent of our salvation.
     
    #75 MennoSota, Mar 28, 2017
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    Be careful of calling me names.
     
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    Lighten up Alice.
     
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    I've always known that but so do many maybe most non calvinists.

    What is so important about all this honor given to calvin (a man) anyway?

    HankD
     
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    It has nothing to do with Calvin. It has everything to do with God's word, which Calvin read with accuracy in regard to salvation being by grace alone.
     
    #79 MennoSota, Mar 28, 2017
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    Baloney. He (C) often gets way to much by way of accolades amongst his followers.

    HankD
     
    #80 HankD, Mar 28, 2017
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