To: Free willers and other people that disagrees with the doctrine of Calvinism,
What are the main points and problems that you see with the doctrine of "Calvinism"?
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"Calvinist teach false doctrine".
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by AAA, Feb 20, 2007.
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Total Depravity (Total Inability)
Luke 8:11-15 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away. And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection. But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.
Unconditional Election
Acts 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Romans 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
etc... (looks like conditions to me)
Limited Atonement
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
There is more, but, is it really necessary?
Irresistible Grace
2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
Acts 26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.
Perseverance of the Saints
Eternal Security and OSAS? Yes, but NOT according to our works, thus, POS is also false. -
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Hey James,
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.... -
Its like saying zero 10 times fast without saying rosey -
But on a good note, I did it without saying Rosey. But does saying "sheesh" count at the end!
However in line with the OP.
We all hold to:
Depravity
Election
Atonement
Grace
Perseverence/perservence
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Are these four different examples of elect persons, or do we have three types of persons, with 'total inability', hearing, receiving, and believing the word of God?
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Here are the verses again for reference
11. "Now the parable is this: the seed is the word of God.
12. "Those beside the road are those who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their heart, so that they will not believe and be saved.
13. "Those on the rocky {soil are} those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no {firm} root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away.
14. "The {seed} which fell among the thorns, these are the ones who have heard, and as they go on their way they are choked with worries and riches and pleasures of {this} life, and bring no fruit to maturity.
15. "But the {seed} in the good soil, these are the ones who have heard the word in an honest and good heart, and hold it fast, and bear fruit with perseverance. -
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Jesus is the one explaining the meaning of the parable.
In that Jesus is God the Son and He and the Father are One it would stand to reason that what He says is.
So what am I saying?
It is what it is.
According to TULIPism only the elect respond to the gospel.
So much for TULIP doctrine. Actually these verses are such a vast, big, major, gigantic, overwhelming, devastating, wipe out of the TULIP you wonder why any one would hang on to that miss guided doctrine.
The Calvinist are "in secret :BangHead: " and all others are :applause: giving it the :thumbs: and waving sings :godisgood: -
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BTW, there is a reason I spend so much time on this subject. Maybe I would like to know the truth before I quit learning. Glad you are already there. Good for you!!! -
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That being true, can you explain how Christ atones for all sins yet some still go to hell?
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Martin,
Thank you. You are correct.
These forums are good for fellowship, small talk, and entertainment. These forums are no place to learn anything. I have not gotten anything but confused when trying to learn something here.
I will take your advice and begin to read books by scholars. But, first and foremost, what I have already begun, is reading the Bible front to back again, this time with an open mind to the 5 points. I used to read through the Bible every year, while studying certain books rather sporadically. Studying from front to back is going to be good. I'm excited.
I am not an Arminian, at least I seriously doubt I am. For one, I do not believe I keep myself saved by works. That excludes me from that camp I'm sure. -
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