This is just a simple survey for you Calvinists, whether you hold to all five points of TULIP or less. I have been curious about which points those who are not five pointers most reject or have some issues or problems with. If you would like to explain why, that would be great.
You can also make more than one selection.
Calvinists- How many points?
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Winman, Feb 18, 2011.
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I hold to all five points of TULIP
25 vote(s)71.4% -
I reject or have issues with T- Total Depravity
3 vote(s)8.6% -
I reject or have issues with U- Unconditional Election
2 vote(s)5.7% -
I reject or have issues with L- Limited Atonement
4 vote(s)11.4% -
I reject or have issues with I- Irresistable Grace
4 vote(s)11.4% -
I reject or have issues with P- Perseverance of the Saints
2 vote(s)5.7% -
I reject or have issues with two or more points- Please identify which points
2 vote(s)5.7% -
Other- Please explain
3 vote(s)8.6%
Multiple votes are allowed.
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Do I hold to all 5 points? Yes, but let me clarify how I look at them.
Total Depravity
1. Sin has affected every man and every part of man is affected. Man has the ability to do seemingly good things. We are made in the image of God. That image can be reflected even in an unsaved person. However, the unsaved person never does this to please God. He never seeks after God. Why? Because he has no desire to do so. Man sins because he chooses to sin. We choose based on our desires. We are born with a sinful nature.
Unconditional Election
2. God has elected certain individuals for salvation. This election is not based on anything man has done. It is not based on who would be good or bad, smart or dumb. You don't get saved because of your good sense. You don't get saved because you are smarter than the other guy. You get saved because of a work God does in your heart. No one gets saved without the drawing of God. He must be changed from the inside out. Salvation is conditional while election is unconditional. Regeneration happens at salvation with faith and repentance. You’re not regenerated without faith. You don't have faith without regeneration. It's all part of salvation.
Limited Atonement
3. The death of Christ on the cross was sufficient to save every man. Every sin ever committed has had the payment that is required paid. If everyone was saved, nothing more would have had to be done by Jesus. It is sufficient for all. This doesn't mean that everyone will be saved. Only those whose faith is in Jesus Christ can be saved. Only these will have their sins effectually paid for. Sufficient for all, efficient for the elect.
Irresistible Grace
4. Those that are chosen will come to him. They will do this willingly. Nobody is forced into salvation. In addition, nobody is forced into hell. Whosoever will may come. God will accept anybody that puts their faith in Jesus Christ. He will reject no one that truly puts their faith in Jesus. People can resists the Holy Spirit. Non-elect people do this their entire lives. The elect can do(and often do) resist for a time, but will come to Him.
Perseverance of the Saints
5. Those that are born again will be eternally saved. Jesus will lose no one. All that come will never be cast away. They will endure to the end, not because of their own power, but because Jesus Christ will keep us. -
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Five points is not true Calvinism, they are just points addressing some points of Arminianism. Thus, I hold to 5 points but I also hold to many more.
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Baptist4life Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
I continue to be totally blown away by all the "Baptists" on here who are Calvinists. Calvinism is an absolutely ridiculous belief that I've never seen taught in all my 59 years of being in Baptist churches. Never.
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But four or five people came to me and asked what the other two points were.
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A minimum of 5 points. The basic principle of calvinism is the absolute sovereignty of God, and all theology is subject to this.
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Good poll!
I agree with the 5 points. I'll venture to say that "limited atonement" will be the one that is rejected the most. -
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Immediately, most people would respond by mentioning the 5 Solas of the Reformation (Scripture Alone, Grace Alone, Faith Alone, Christ Alone, for the Glory of God alone). These are not enough either. The holiness of God may be a beginning point of the "other" doctrines which I believe is infused with a specifically Calvinistic Doctrine. Joel Beeke has written a great book on Calvinism entitled, "Living for God's Glory: An Introduction to Calvinism." This is the best summarization of the general worldview of Calvinism. -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK-Dqj4fHmM
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Baptist4life Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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While your experience may differ, your experience is limited in scope and time. Traditionally, Calvinistic Baptists have been the majority. -
pinoybaptist Active MemberSite Supporter
Calvinism/Doctrine of Grace has been around longer than your grandaddy's granddaddy here in the States.
It's your statement that doesn't make sense, assuming that you're more than 59 years old and have been to many Baptist churches, if by many you meant many, unless those churches have mostly been the "fellowship" types, you know, like the Bible Baptist fellowship, or some other type, where the fellowship is determined by the doctrine you hold to.
Also, what is a Baptist doctrine ?
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