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Featured Can the Bible Still Guide America's Footsteps on the Narrow Path?

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by righteousdude2, Jul 12, 2014.

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  1. church mouse guy

    church mouse guy Well-Known Member
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    Thanks! I am sick of these religious leftists trying to tell us what to do when they belong to religious left churches and their own motive is to say that we have no right to criticize a President who lies to us more than Lyndon Johnson did. Obama himself is an anti-Christ.
     
  2. righteousdude2

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    I know.....

    I, like you, have grown exceedingly tired of being called a homophobe because I speak about that particular sin being an abomination to God! When I speak out about our tax money being used to give the entitled cell phones that they can use for texting, etc., I am called anti-poor or a racist! When I say we need to send all immigrants here without documentation, I am called a racist or Mexican hater. Funny thing is, a lot of the illegals are from other countries, not just to our south!

    When I say this POTUS needs to do as he swore to do and that is protect the interests and well being of Americans, I am called a racist. Again, I have not spoken any differently about this POTUS than I did about others when they didn't look to the best interest of Americans FIRST and foremost! Even Bush is responsible for a lot of what is going on today, as he ushered in the recession, and signed a murky amnesty like bill, mean t to protect and provide asylum to children smuggled here as sex objects. However, no one called me names then. Funny world we live in.

    You are right on, and I believe most Americans would agree with your views! Shalom!
     
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    We have people all over the United States dying and going to hell because Christians are more focused on political foolishness than they are in sharing the love of Christ?

    Yall have said repeatedly that the President isn't a Christian. What's our excuse?
     
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    Glad I'm not a religious lefty. And I for one haven't said you don't have the right to criticize. But criticize what the man has done or has not done. Don't disrespectfully start calling him names the way several do.

    No disagreement there. But to really believe that one should be able to acknowledge that Mitt Romney, John Beohner and several people on this board also exhibit anti-Christ behavior.

    Folks choose to not judge righteously and not hypocritically in such situations because to judge righteously would also point the finger at the people they have been tauting as the solution.

    The solution has been and always will be CHRIST. And if the Body doesn't figure that out and continues to bow at the altar of partisan politic, then we deserve more and more of whatever it is we don't want.
     
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    Most Americans are on the way to hell. So is it better to point their minds to the things of Christ or to continue drawing them into foolish political arguments about the stuff of this dying world?
     
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    I am guessing, Zaac, that you agree with Eric Holder that Obama's critics are racist. People are wondering what Christians have to say about the liar who has taken over the USA and who is changing this country into one big Detroit.
     
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    Why would you guess that?

    And I'm left to ask the question of why NOW are Christians so concerned about a man lying but presented every excuse known to man for what to say when someone questioned how does a Christian support a man who rejects Jesus Christ?

    Now it might be this type of behavior where Eric Holder concludes that some of the President's critics are racists.

    Because when you've got folks who are speaking on issues of morality and what a President has or has not done that measures up to anti-Christ behavior... when those same folks pushed for a man who 100% rejected Jesus Christ, then either they are worshiping at the altar of partisan politics or there is perhaps another problem with the man.

    So yes a reasonable person could see how Eric Holder might conclude such a thing. Not that it has to be the truth ( even though I'm fully aware that he does have a lot of critics simply because of his skin color just as he has supporters because of his skin color), but I can see how one would reach that conclusion.
     
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    Just.....

    ... read all your accusations toward others on the board, and it is easy for someone to see you have a hidden agenda. You have been used race baiting for a long time know! You say it is Christian to not speak about the negative things of your elected POTUS?

    Even so, I say we can't see the real person making these wild accusations, and if we could put a face with the oft hateful words we read, it would explain a lot! :thumbs:
     
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    What you have read is you and yourpartisan politics wanting to make me into what you want me to be because I don't have a problem calling your hypocritical brand of partisan politic unCHRISTlike.


    Pure foolishness. It's you and your brood that have made issue of Barack Obama's skin color. Just ask the good Rev.

    Gosh if my words identifying the lot of you as very politically-minded and not very CHRIST-minded is considered oft hateful, I wonder what measure we need to use for the disgusting display tall take with anyone who doesn't agree with your politics or the FACT that yall care more about your darn partisan politics than you do about loving folks and seeing them come to Christ?

    As I've said before, you claim to take the highroad, but you're perhaps the biggest instigator with your little polls that do nothing but serve as a tool of the devil to foster more division over things that have ZERO eternal value.

    And if calling such foolishness for what it is gets to be named hateful, then I'll accept that and move on. Because SURELY your continued brand of behavior over POLITICS is foolishness.
     
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    Well .... thar she blows, matey?

    Not true .... you continually alienate board members with the type of poorly thought out trash talk noted above. Case closed.

    I do not read all the threads, but never have I spoke ill toward Obama in regard to the color of his skin! I have always criticized him FAIRLY, based on what I see as his lack of initiative and his unwillingness to enforce the laws of this nation!

    I dare you to show me one sentence where I say anything about his lackadaisical approach to running this nation being because he is black! I have, in fact, supported black people and named several that would be outstanding POTUSs. Starting with Powell and Rice.

    You call me an instigator, son; you are always instigating and stirring the pot on this board with your vitriol speech, rants and accusation!

     
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    Gosh, I'm so sorry that I see no reason to brown nose and buddy up with folks who show nothing of Christ's love for anyone who does not share their political views. If that makes someone feel alienated, then perhaps they need to fix the way they treat others.



    Yes go on and pretend to take the high road and then tomorrow come back and start a poll about. Thanks for admitting that you have spoken illy of the man.

    Some folks like to go on again and again about something that wasn't said. You got a bad habit of doing that and then trying to avow your goodness in the face of a lie you created just so you could defend your "honor".

    I'm not your son. Last I checked, my dad was dead and in the grave. You are indeed an instigator. You call it vitriol, rants and accusation because it plainly points out the hypocrisy and lack of Christian love being displayed.

    Speculative would be surmising. When there are daily demonstrations of how much more important politics is to some of ya than loving people and seeing them come to Christ, that's reality.

    Yes it' would be a waste of words to those guilty of the behavior who refuse to be corrected. There were a lot of those types around when Jesus was being crucified.

    Kinda hard to believe that folks who show no love for anyone who doesn't share their politics would be concerned about that person's eternal soul. SO go gather up a bunch of illegal immigrants and ship them back to the nearest border crossing with Mexico and then start espousing to them how much you love them and that Jesus loves them and wants to save them.

    If the folks that they can see who are supposed to be indwelled with the Spirit of God can't treat people with love, then why would anyone expect God whom they cannot see to give a flying twcents about them?


    Call it like I see it. It's only disgusting and reprehensible to those who no doubt are used to folks backing down from calling their foolishness what it is. And as I've said before, I'm not the "will be bullied" type. So gather the reinforcements and pile it on. Right is right and wrong will continue to be called wrong.



    No more disgusting than what several say about the President, liberals or anyone else who doesn't share their political POV.


    Now go share that with friends and make it a tag line to remind several of what yall CONSTANTLY do everyday to anyone who doesn't share your political POV.

    Oh my now I'm really frightened. Get on here and act the fool about anyone who doesn't see things from your political POV and then have the gall to imply or otherwise legal action toward another brother because of the way a lot of you treat people? You're funny.



    He died and rose again and indwelled me with His Holy Spirit. It makes clear what is foolishness.


    More foolishness. I remember the first sermon I ever preached was over those verses and how so many people misuse them because they don't like correction. I need to get you a u-tube so that the words you type can quickly be returned to you.



    Now let me make something perfectly clear for you AGAIN. Creating lies just so that you can come back and proclaim your virtue is kinda...well everybody knows what it is.

    Reading is Fundamental.:thumbsup:

    YOU are on ignore. Now if you'd just put me on Ignore and stop making comments about me or something I say, all will be well.

    Absolutely crazy that you feel like you have to make this pronouncement for the rest of the board to agree with you when it's the VERY thing that you and your clique do to anyone who doesn't share your political POV.

    What needs to be called into question is your incessant need to defend things that haven't been said in order to make yourself look virtuous.:laugh:
     
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    Oh, I love Democrats, Libertarians, and Socialists and Communists--I just don't like them.
     
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    That makes no sense. Love is greater than like. If you love them, how can you not like them?

    You might not like what they DO, but that shouldn't have anything to do with liking or loving them.
     
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    It's not surprising, given your track record around here, that you have no concept of the idea.

    Love is selfless. It is Christlike. Unconditional. Loving them means you pray and hope for the best for them, not the least of which is for them to have saving faith in Jesus Christ.

    You can love someone in spite of themselves -- like you, Zaac.
     
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    And you just reinforced what I said. If love is all these things and it's greater than like, then how can you love them and not like them?

    It appears you're the one with no concept of the idea.
     
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    I have a very good concept of it. What the term means is that I don't have to like who you are to love you anyway. I can believe you are a very judgmental believer who picks and chooses what he wants to believe from the Bible and think your constant display of that fact drives me crazy, and yet still want for you to learn who you really are in Christ and for you to believe that equal to His love is His demand for obedience and His righteous judgment of the lost, even those that don't think they're lost, as well as His righteous reward according to what we have done with the talents and gifts He gives those of us who love Him.

    I don't have to like the political viewpoints you espouse to love you as a brother in Christ, and I don't have to like the fact you seldom display the fruit of the Spirit yourself while accusing others of the very same, to be able love you and desire sanctification for you in every aspect of your life.

    My love for you is the same as Christ's in that He took you just as you are but He loves you too much to leave you like that. Is that clear enough?
     
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    That's funny because I understand those things. If anything, your ascerbic tongue would testify that you don't.

    And as I said, you can't get to love without like. You're speaking about behavior. Selfless love doesn't keep track of wrongdoing. So if you love them, why don't you like them?

    Political viewpoints shouldn't have anything to do with liking or loving someone.


    You like many others are just mad that again I don't have any qualms with telling ya that your behavior stinks. And if you don't think that displays the fruit of the Spirit, oh well.

    It's quite clear that you're confused about loving/liking people and loving/liking things that they do.
     
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    Please put me on ignore; don't pretend you have, do it! If you had me on ignore, that message you sent, which must have kept the midnight oil burning to compose, would never have been posted in response to my most recent comment on your behalf!

    My publisher's legal advisor directed me to ask you to voluntarily CEASE AND DESIST any further verbal assaults on my character or integrity. They told me the following .... it is unlawful to engage in slander and defamation of another’s character and reputation consists of, but are not limited to the following
    (1) a statement that tends to injure reputation;
    (2) communicated to another; and
    (3) that the speaker knew or should have known was false.


    This is in fact a debate forum and we will run into each other from time to time, and I am surely not going to keep my opinions to myself, be it you or someone else. So, complying with your request to, "stop making comments about me or something I say" is not realistic. I have already relied to a comment or two today by you and been civil in the replies. That is all I am trying to do and get you to do!

    So, they suggested this as a preemptive attempt to have you tone down your comments when it comes to me! In other words be civil toward one another when posting opposition to each others comments, opinions and threads. I will not have a problem doing this, so the ball is in your court!

    I have been advised to keep it professional between us, and desire you do the same! However, should you fail to comply, they will look into issuing a formal CEASE AND DESIST order to you!

    I believe you can, but time will tell! Shalom!
     
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    You tell your publisher's legal advisor to voluntarily deal with his client. If your reputation has been slandered or anything else it's by your own words and behavior.

    So let me make it abundantly clear for you AGAIN. I'm not the "gonna be bullied" type. So you can save the words of your publisher's legal advisor and anything else. Anybody who can read sees the pattern of lies you've told just so that you can come back and try to argue your virtue.

    So please get your legal advisors to issue a formal whatever they want. You write some of the silliest stuff I've ever read on this board. :laugh: If you don't want anyone challenging your instigating and lies, don't post.
     
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    I did try. :thumbsup:
     
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