wrestle with God
If you want to wrestle with God then you go ahead and that, but God said you have to endure the end to be saved.
God called Israel a stiff kneck people, hmmm.
can we agree on this?
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Brutus, Feb 22, 2007.
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johnp,
I don't know what your problem is with understanding judicial innocence but it certainly doesn't help your witness.
skypair -
And if you say they don't go to hell, where do they go and on what premise do you base that opinion??
skypair -
Hello Psalms.
And 2TI 2:12 if we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us;
Jacob wrestled with God, there is nothing wrong in that. Jacob came out on top didn't he? Mind you, he wasn't the same after.
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Hello skypair.
I said Even if Job was innocent... Children are innocent you say but scripture says even if children are innocent they would still need God's mercy for salvation.
We do know He does not extend mercy to those who have not heard the word of God, that much we know. "Let the children come to me." Does not wash, children are to hear the word of God. Faith comes through the word and from nowhere else. If a child is saved in the womb then that child would have heard the word of God. :)
You say my witness is not helped by being non-commital when the bible is non-commital? I preach what I know not what I don't. I am not in the business of making God look good my business is telling it as it is, as I see it, He wants us to see Him warts and all. Love is like that.
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Wrestling with God
Scripture does not contradict each other just men's understanding of them.
God will win the war. -
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scripture
They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us. -
Hello Psalms.
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You can't be blown by every wind and still think you will receive anything from God. -
In other words
The belief God is speaking about to receive eternal life is an enduring to the end belief. -
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can we agree
Skypair: I find it absolutely amazing that you are so consumed with proving that you're right that even when confronted with numerous Scriptures you refuse to acknowledge the Word of God. So let me get this straight, you're calling Scripture "anecdotal evidence"? Also, exactly what Calvinists are you refering to ? And as far as what you should call me, call me anything you like. And I'll still call you Palagian in your belief because you agree with that philosophy of all humans being born morally innocent. I'm still trying to understand your statement concerning infants that die and go to heaven, you say that in the MK they must then accept or reject Christ as Lord ? In other words they can from the time of death be with Christ in heaven and then when Christ establishes His kingdom here on earth the time will come for them to decide whether to come to Christ or to rebel ? What Scripture do you claim as proof of this ?
Brutus -
can we agree
Can we agree that the cause or guilt of this unbelief as well as of all other sins is no wise in God, but in man himself; whereas faith in Jesus Christ and salvation through Him is the free gift of God, as it is written: "By grace have ye been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God," Eph.2:8. Likewise: "To you it hath been granted in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him," Phil.1:29.
As there are two kinds of people, unbelievers and believers, so there are two causes for their two conditions. The cause of unbelief is in man, not in God. God doesn't give the gift of unbelief to sinners. Rather, sinners exercise their rebellious wills to resist God and reject His Son. By contrast, God does give the gift of faith. Since all sinners in themselves resist God, He must overcome that resistance and effectively give the gift of faith in His Son. Unbelievers have only themselves to blame for their unbelief. Believers have only God to thank for the wonderful gift of faith.
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skypair -
[qute]So let me get this straight, you're calling Scripture "anecdotal evidence"?[/quote] NO. Don't try to slander all that I say based on my interpretation of one passage, pls.
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can we agree
Skypair: Oh my, I do think that you're stretching it quite a bit to get that from Isa.65:20. Also, I'm afraid that I have some bad news for you! What I quoted in my last post that you so willingly agree with, well, it, it's the fifth article of the Synod at Dort. WOW! You're at least part CALVINIST!!! :eek: Sorry, but someone had to be the bearer of bad news!
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Hello skypair.
You cannot know one way or another.
Condemnation is already the sentence. Judgement Day is there to weigh your sins not to see if you are guilty or not as guilt was established before you did wrong or right.
"I pray for them." He intercedes for us but the world that some say He loves so much, "I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours." John 17:9.
If He wants to damn the little ones what has that to do with you?
No judicial innocence is ever spoken of in scripture, no age of responsiblity anywhere you look.
My teachers have become my peers not my betters. The worse of sinners was innocent was he? Cool.
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