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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by thatbrian, Dec 2, 2017.

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  1. TCassidy

    TCassidy Late-Administator Emeritus
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    Another one of Van's "snowflake" replies because he doesn't want to discuss the actual subject.
     
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    Paul refers to carnal Christians, babes, and mature believers, but NEVER refers to lost/unsaved receiving with understanding the scriptures!
     
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    We Calvinists agree that a sinner must come to faith in Jesus to gets saved, ut we hold that God causes that to happen to us, as he gives the gift of saving faith, and the Spirit Himself enables us to trust in Jesus.
     
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    That just exploding his wrong theology in this area!
     
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    Not true! That's your opinion just because he is not Calvinist. That mean that everyone who is not a Calvinists denies God's sovereignty. And you know that is not true.
     
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    No one (from the other side) does. They are all whipped up into a lather, but none are calm enough, willing to read carefully enough, use their intellect enough, read texts within their contexts. . .

    Because they are so fearful of what they think the DoG teach, they just create strawmen and beat up on them.
     
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    He denies that God is sovereign though, as he would hold that God is blind to sinners saving jesus until they decide to do that!
     
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    TC, I know what it says. You know what it says. Paul spoke to new Christs as men of flesh, therefore men of flesh can understand spiritual milk.
     
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    Pay no attention to those that do not provide quotes for their characterizations of the views of others.
    God is sovereign. God is not blind. Again pay no attention to those who misrepresent others to hide their false theology.
     
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    The subject is the T of the Tulip, and the Cal's want to change the subject to Van's flaws. Go figure.
     
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    Another false claim, devoid of any citation from scripture. Men of flesh can understand spiritual milk.
     
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    Yes. The "T" of TULIP stands for "Total Depravity." But you tried to move the post to "Total Inability" which is false. And when I tried to get the discussion back on "Total Depravity" you ran away from the thread.
     
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    Yes, saved people can be carnal. That is the point. Those people were SAVED. You can't use that verse to say that LOST people can understand spiritual things.
     
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    John 20

    31but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.


    The aim of the gospel is pretty clear. Doesn't say its written for people who do believe. Its directed to someone who doesn't believe with the purpose that they will.

    A Calvinist Jesus would never have preached what Jesus preached. The sermon on the mount would have been one line long "God either picks you or not."

    All that advice and teaching would is indeed believed meaningless just as the same folks who claim even now it is meaningless.

    I can tell anyone that if they do as Christ commands they will be saved. Never is the backwards formula given. Jesus could have easily taught, well if you are saved then you will love God and love neighbor. Backwards.
     
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    What is often missed by these folks is that God uses "means" to bring about His purpose. He doesn't zap people saved. He uses the preaching of the gospel to accomplish His will.
     
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    There is the outward Call (preaching of the Gospel) and the inward Call (God giving the gift of faith to the elect.)

    Many will hear the Gospel. But it is effective only in the elect.
     
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    More change the subject deflection, the Reformed definition posted in this thread presents the T doctrine of the Tulip.
     
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    Yet another change of subject, Paul spoke to new believers as men of flesh, therefore men of flesh can understand spiritual milk. Ask yourselves, why does Calvinism deny the obvious?
     
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    Six Hour Warning
    This thread will be closed sometime after 2 PM Pacific.
     
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    So you see Calvinism as false theology, so are Calvinist teaching/preaching another Gospel? Are we even saved?
     
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