Jesus said those who cried 'Lord, lord' were not known by Him. They could not have been saved.
Quit giving people false hope thinking they are saved just because they make a profession.
Can you be a Christian AND (insert sin here)
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by James_Newman, May 25, 2007.
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If you feel you have given any evidence, I have missed it. Please pull me bac on track by refering me to the scripture that pertains undoubtedly to the subject.
Also, shall I expect a reply concerning the valid scripture I asked you to loo over, I Cor. 3 and II Cor. 5?
To those who read before the editing, I assure you that I made a typo. I am sorry and am glad I caught it! My typing is almost as good as my experience in in flying a spaceship! -
So exactly how can an unsaved man cast out a demon? By who's authority would that be possible? Can Satan cast out Satan. Scripture says no, but HBSMN says yes. Hmmm... Once again I think the choice is easy. Scripture!
The fact that seeing these criers as saved hurts "your" doctrine reveals much.
It's tough when your man-made doctrine crumbles around you. Trust me I've been there and done that. But we can either let Scripture shape our doctrine or we can let our doctrine shape Scripture. I'll choose the first! -
I know this is off subject but I am rather curious here.....
Would there be any here who are against these teachings that are a member of a SBC?
I do have a reason for asking. It isn't to jump onto anyone or start something different. I am going somewhere with this. -
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Does this means he all of a sudden lost the relationdship with his father or is it that he had lost the fellowship?
Some are going to hanng their hat on the word "never."
I am not afraid to address this. It is ludicrous to believe that upon spiritual salvation on becomes this mighty man who all of a sudden doesn't want to sin and always listens to the conviction of the Holy Spirit. Are new believers not likened unot Babies in the Bible? I don't know about you but all 5 of my children weren't born with an admiration and respect for me, their father. They each had to be trained to obey me. Sometimes they learned the hard way but it took time. They grew to "honor"me. Babies must learn respect and authority little by little. Some babes in Christ grow quicker than others. Some never grow at all. They just sip on milk and never touch the meat. They b=never experience a victoriuos Christian life. They do not see the need to personally experience God. Therefore they never gave Him the chance to "know" them as He would have wanted to. They never had that relationship that others have experienced. -
Jump,
Quit your lying about me. I never said satan could cast out satan.
It is quite obvious that these that professed to know the Lord never knew Him. Christ said He never knew them, so they certainly could not have known Him.
Since satan cannot cast out satan and Christ professed that He never knew these professors, it is obvious they were lying about casting out devils.
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Eternal salvation is not in question here as much as you want it to be. Just because the word never is in a text doesn't mean it is talking about eternal salvation. CONTEXT, CONTEXT, CONTEXT. Context is king, right? -
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Simply believing that Jesus Christ shed His blood and died on the cross for our sins does not save. That's like someone asking you if you believe the sky is blue and you say "yes, I believe the sky is blue". You can believe all you want about Jesus Christ and His atoning death, but until you actually "trust Christ" and repent, you are simply a "professor" of Christ and you are still lost.
Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing. (2 Corinthians 7:9) For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death. (2 Corinthians 7:10)
But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance. (Acts 26:20)
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. (Matthew 9:13)
When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. (Mark 2:17)
I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. (Luke 5:32)
I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance. (Luke 15:7)
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. (Luke 24:47)
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. (Acts 5:31)
Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ. (Acts 20:21)
But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance. (Acts 26:20)
In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; (2 Timothy 2:25)
There needs to be a change of heart--there has to be "repentance". Jesus, Paul, Peter, and John all taught repentance. Although the word "repentance" is not found in John's gospel, it is implied. Saved people are "changed" people. They have "turned from" (repentance) sin and "turn towards" God. James said that "faith without works is dead"--this doesn't mean he was teaching "works salvation". It means that if you are going to profess and say you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, your "actions" will prove your faith. -
How can I say they were lying? By their statements. They professed to know the Lord. The Lord told them He did not know them. Hence, they could not have known the Lord.]
Theirs was just a feeble attempt to be accepted of the one they truly had rejected in life. -
Ephesians 2:8-9:
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Hmmm . . . no mention of repentance there.
Acts 16:30-31
And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Wow . . . again no mention of repentance. Was Paul lying to the jailor when he left repentance out of the equation Linda?
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I see you are bringing about verses about repentance.
May I ask a simple question. (It is usually these simple questions that never get answered but I will try)
What is repentance? If it is needed for spiritual regeneration (everlasting life)
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Let's look at the whole chapter:
vs 1&2: believers (in type)
vs 3: How can you behold the mote that is in your brother's eye if he isn't your brother?
Same in vs 4, 5,
Vs. 6 believers too ( in type)
Vs 7 again believers. Might I add this is not a salvation of the spirit verse. To be saved spiritually no work is involved. Not in asing seeking or knocking. None of us were "seeking" for God when He sought us. He isn't playing hide and seek with unbelievers.
vs. 8 In CONTEXT, what would make us believed that he has all of a sudden shifted from training of the brethren to the Great White Throne of Judgement?
vs. 9 believers
vs 10 believers
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There was no need for Paul and Silas to tell the Philippian jailor to repent, his actions showed his repentance.
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