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Now we are getting somewhere....only this is not "Calvinism" as it is used today....this implies an unlimited atonement..so far then..you have surrendered the "L" in TULIP it appears.

In other words; they DUNNO...that is not an answer of any kind-they give up.

2 and 3 are indeed false Scripturally, hence....Calvinism...as it is commonly understood today is false.

 

I have read a page of responses to this post and was amazed.

I answered the questions of the OP, but seems that folks didn't like the answers.

Some claimed I posted calvinistic view - yet, nowhere in the post is there even a hint of that view.

I could read arminian view in to the post just a well.

The fact is that God is not to blame.

The fact is that in BOTH views (calvinistic and arminian) God is not to be blamed.

The fact is BOTH views (calvinistic and arminian) hold man as totally sinful, totally lost, totally responsible and accountable for their condition, and totally incapable of coming to God in salvation without God being the author.

The fact is BOTH views (calvinistic and arminian) hold God as Sovereign and Divinely Right in any matter He chooses.

The fact is Both views (calvinistic and arminian) hold some form of limit on the reconciliation between God and man.

The fact is the reprobate will go to hell with no one to blame but them self.

 

:wavey::thumbsup::applause::applause: you have posted truth here.

 

really?

If a person is denied even the choice of redemption, is he really to blame?

John

 

I agree with you that God offers salvation to everyone....but Calvinisim teaches otherwise.

Calvininism denies the offer. In fact, with Calvinism there is no offer at all. If God chose you before birth then you go to heaven.

If God rejected you before birth then you are going to Hell no matter how much you plead to Him for forgiveness....God will not hear you.

The God of Calvinism is a cruel God....and not the God I worship.

John

 

The God of calvinism is the biblical God...if you do not worship him...you are not going to heaven. You should not make such an ignorant statement.


You might not understand the teaching, but you should never deny the biblical God.

 

The natural man would never plead to him for forgiveness according to 1 Cor 2:14. I have said many times that if you do not understand the depravity of man, you will never understand the grace of God.

 

Christ is God's only Son. The elect that he choose before the foundation of the world, he predestginated unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,Eph 1:4-5. Christ paid the price for the adoption of God's elect upon the cross, John 6:37-41, and said that he would not lose one of them, but raise them all up at the last day, so all that Christ died for will live with him in heaven, which proves that he did not die for all mankind.

 

I know of no biblical calvinist who does not believe in offering the gospel to all men.

 

As i said in a previous post, the Calvinist will say that I 'dont understand'

Yes I do understand, it is you that adds to the gospel. not me.

John

 

You have stated many times that God chose you before you were born

Why do you change your story now?

John

 

So?

You are special?

God bless you

John

 

John...that is correct. Everyone who gets saved was chosen In Christ before the world was.Jesus came to live and die for them.

I have not and will not change my story. What you are not seeing is as has been often explained....although election is doth biblical and certain....we do not know who the elect are. We know they are scattered throughout the world so we send missionaries worldwide...jn 3 :16 the preaching of the cross will draw all men worldwide...as the Spirit quickens them.

John...that is why I urge you not to speak against the biblical God who saves His people worldwide. We preach to all men as Jesus commanded...the results belong to God.

 

Jonc

There are some who dispute the free offer of the gospel.In my judgement they are going beyond scripture, and doing the same thing that many non cals do here.

With any truth.....some come short of it......some go beyond it.

non cals come up short......hyper cals have gone beyond scripture.

Both are mistaken and need correction. The mainstream stay midline by adhereing to the confessions.
There are biblical brothers who both come up short, and who go beyond...and there are some who error who have missed Christ

 

But that REALLY isn't the question the OP is asking.

The question(s) asked in the OP is about whether or not the reprobate can blame God for being a rebellious reprobate.

The answer is NO.

All other discussion is nothing but distraction and human desire to place fault into some scheme labeled arminian or calvinian.

Again, BOTH arminianistic and calvinistic views have limited atonement.

Therefore, the OP question is faulty for even suggesting that the reprobate would be justified in blaming God.

The reprobate would have to blame them self for being a reprobate before they could even assume to lay fault in God's Sovereignty.

 

Brother,

I may not agree with everything you posted here, but I do love the graciousness in the manner of which you posted it. :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs: