He was always a son, even when he was in the pig pen. He was never "not a son".
Carnal Christians
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by gekko, Jul 10, 2006.
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Yeah, but all humanity can be considered to be 'sons of God' in a technical sense, due to Him being our creator, right?
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and the coin and the sheep were lost as well. And there was great rejoicing when they were found. In the context of the 3 parables placed together (strategically), why do we have to make the son backslidden?
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Tater in order for something to be lost that means it must be outside of the original position. That's why I struggle with how so many Christians don't see that Israel was a saved nation during the NT times. They were lost sheep. Nowhere in the Bible does it ever associate a sheep with spiritual deadness or an unsaved state.
They were lost sheep. They were saved, but just away from the fold and had lost their way.
Now you could view that as they lost their salvation and needed to get it back, but that is not supported by Scripture. Scripture only leaves us with one interpretation and that is the interpretation of Truth. -
and the coin?
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exacty. But it doesnt necessarily parallel a "saved" person
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The intention of the parable is not even about lost/saved, but about who Jesus was hanging around and why. He told the 3 parables in response to the question. Since parables are not allegory, I think the meaning goes beyond our modern day theological categories.
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The spiritual truth was there for them and it is here for us if we will understand it as it is given instead of trying to put our own personal spin on the matters! -
taken from another forum that im part of. please read. oh - and tear it up all you want HoG and J.Jump. :)
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What were the people supposed to change their minds about? They were supposed to change their minds about Who Jesus was. Christ came to them as their King, but some did not want to accept Him as King. Now there are some that did want Him to be King, but they wanted Him to be King on their terms and not His.
Repentance and faith in the same sentence are kingdom issues, not eternal salvation issues.
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well J.Jump - you may want to discuss this further.
but i will resort to: agree to disagree.
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Now you're saying that eternal salvation is dependent on "state of the person's walk in the present?" That's what I've been saying all along. Someone who was "saved" 20 years ago but turned their back on God, like the Prodigal Son, is TODAY in the state of the unbeliever and in danger of eternal damnation. -
Salvation NEVER changes after that moment. To say otherwise to is step outside of Scripture.
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one last thing i wish to add as a finish for me:
J.Jump and HoG - i do agree with what you have been saying - that belief is a one time thing (although salvation is an ongoing thing for we are always saved once we are saved for its not us but Christ that saves us - i hope we agree on that. that its not us but Christ)
as for me - i will put my life in the hands of God and trust that He will teach me his ways. ways of a repentant faith and trust in Him.
although we may disagree on what scriptures are talking of eternal salvation - but i dont know. i've still much studying to do in the word. im only 18 after all right?
what i will share with others is that we must not tell people that they are saved - but i will tell them how to be saved - by grace through faith. and because of that - the Lord demands of us repentance and good fruit now that we are His - He will work through us to glorify Himself.
i will trust the Lord in teaching these babes in Christ - although it will not be immediate - which we agree on - which is one thing i've learned from all this. that its not immediate. (it was professingly immediate for the stony ground hearer though - but thats not my point)
we do grow. for those of us who do not grow - we've been locked away in a closet. we need to be in the world not of the world as much as a plant needs to be in the sunlight to grow.
1 Peter 3:12 - For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.
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May God bless you and Keep you.
josh a.k.a. gekko
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