Cash for Clunkers II

[Aaron]

So, I guess our Canadian Christians, or Christians who live in countries like Denmark, etc. are only hypocrites.

Not every Canadian is a Socialist. But to answer your question, yes. Socialists who call themselves Christians are either deluded or lying.

 

[rbell]

Neal Boortz (take the meat, spit out the bones with him) has a superb take on this...

http://boortz.com/nealz_nuze/2009/08/this-would-matter-if-people-we.html

from the article:

you paying attention to this? The whole cash-for-clunkers bit shut down last week because of government bureaucracy and a little problem about running out of money. For generations car salesmen in every corner of this country have been handling the paperwork required to trade in an old car for a new one with ease. After all, how many of you have ever visited a car dealer wanting to trade in a clunker on a new car, only to be told to go away because they just can't process your paperwork.
But ... put government into the equation and what happens? All heck breaks loose, that's what happens. The Imperial Federal Government of the United States interposed federal red tape into the middle of the buyer-used car salesman transaction and everything ground to a screaming halt. How much paper and red tape? Try 130 pages of regulations for a start. How many car salesmen do you think have to deal with a 130-page rule book when they take a car in on trade for a new one.

This was a stupid and fascist idea. I repeat my objections, because frankly, I haven't seen any legitimate refutation of them:

• We must keep in mind: this is taxpayer money. In other words, you and I are helping people buy a new car. This is simply wrong. I've bought ten cars in my life. My aunt helped me a little with one. The government, none. And, because I believe in self-sufficiency, and because it offends me personally to be buying cars for others with money I need...I refuse to participate. What a stupid use of our hard-earned dollars.
• This program will hurt the poor. My father has been in this business for nearly fifty years, and so this point does come with a modicum of expertise. The priced of used/remanned engines will skyrocket. Laws of scarcity. Since it is mandated by Those Who Know Best For Us that these "clunker" engines must be destroyed...fewer engines are available to be reconditioned and sold. Thus, with supply scarce...up goes the price. And those who need this--the poor who can't buy a new car but could possibly afford a used one, or a "new" engine--are left high and dry.
• Remember what happened with housing--the beginning of the crash? The banks lent to too many people who shouldn't have received a loan. Well...here we go again. Scores of people are getting cars who really can't afford it. How long until defaults begin to mess up GMAC and their fellow organizations?
• Remember...this is a government program. Thus, it is proving to be slow in repayment, inefficient, and confusing (surprise, surprise). Dealers, with a razor-thin margin anyway, coming off a big recession, and with some now technically being arms of the government and unions (Government Motors, anyone)...they can't afford to wait the weeks and months for the "clunker" repayments. But guess what? It's government, so it's happening exactly that way. These dealerships can't afford a cash-flow problem...but that's what they're going to get.

 

[rbell]

An article about the unintended consequences of Clunkergate: HERE

 

[Robert Snow]

But to answer your question, yes. Socialists who call themselves Christians are either deluded or lying.

When someone puts the Constitution on par with God's revelation, this is the result.

 

[LadyEagle]

When someone puts the Constitution on par with God's revelation, this is the result.

No one here has suggested that and to state otherwise is false and thrown in as a derailment of this topic. You might revisit the meaning of socialism.

From Wikipedia:

Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating public or state ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and a society characterized by equality for all individuals, with a fair or egalitarian method of compensation.

Now back on topic, please, without the personal attacks against the other members on this Christian board. Thank you. LE

 

[Aaron]

When someone puts the Constitution on par with God's revelation, this is the result.

It's no surprise that Socialists hate the Constitution. It's the document that says government don't get to do what Usurper Obama wants it to do.

 

[carpro]

An article about the unintended consequences of Clunkergate: HERE

Mind you, the government hasn't yet shelled out the $1 billion authorized for Cash for Clunkers. Dealers reduce the buyers' prices and have to apply to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration for the rebates and NHTSA — surprise, surprise — has only managed to process 23,000 of an estimated 250,000 applications. The checks, we are told, will be in the mail. Oh, there's another problem. The dealers are required to destroy the clunkers, which will reduce the supply and increase the price of spare parts for those low-income folks who can't afford to trade their clunkers in even with a $4,500 subsidy. So much for helping the poor.

Cash for Clunkers is a prime example of the unanticipated consequences of hastily drafted legislation.

Amen, Brother!

Due to be repeated with Obamanoncare. Haste still makes waste.