Featured Change of man's MORAL nature in the Fall

You cannot argue that "death" "in that day" was part of natural creation because Genesis 2:17 and Romans 5:12 clearly and explicitly repudiate that theory. So, you are forced to deal with at least the beginning of death with regard to Adam's person "in that day" that previously did not exist with regard to his person.

You can't say he physically died as Genesis 5 denies that.
You can't say he was cast into Gehenna that day.

So death in some other sense began that day with regard to his person. Do you deny the existence of "spiritual death" in the sense of spiritual separation from God due to sin?? For example, how can one be "alienated from the life of God" (Eph. 4:18) being physically alive?

 

I am not upset. I agreed with you, it is not my job to make you believe anything but only present evidence you can't refute. You have no response to the evidence I gave to you prior to your previous post to me. If you can offer evidence to deny my interpretation, then I am all ears, lay it on me

 

You cannot argue that "death" "in that day" was part of natural creation because Genesis 2:17 and Romans 5:12 clearly and explicitly repudiate that theory. So, you are forced to deal with at least the beginning of death with regard to Adam's person "in that day" that previously did not exist with regard to his person.

You can't say he physically died as Genesis 5 denies that.
You can't say he was cast into Gehenna that day.

So death in some other sense began that day with regard to his person. Do you deny the existence of "spiritual death" in the sense of spiritual separation from God due to sin??

 

Bully for you!

Lets see if I can come from another angle so that it makes sense to you. Do you beleive fallen angels are spiritually dead? If you do, and since they have no physical anatomy would would describe death as simply spiritual separation from God due to sin? Angels are also called "sons of God" because they were spirit begotten by God.

 

Let me take another parallel path to see if I can bring you us together. Do you beleive the pre-creation God has a physical body with literal lungs that breathe in and air literal oxogen? If you do, the Mormons are rooting for you.

I don't, and yet "God breathed" (lit. inspirited) into Adam the "breath" (lit. "spirits" plural). Since this was not oxygen coming from God's lungs, I suggest it is directly imparting from His own spiritual substance wherein life in its fullest sense exists. Thus, begetting a "son of God" in his "own image" and "like us." I did not say God's non-communicable attributes were imparted to Adam, but I do believe his communicable attributes, which have their source and sustaining power in union with God's spirit were communicated directly to Adam. Hence, the life given to Adam was spiritual life as God has no other kind of life found in himself for him to convey and it is that life united with the physical matter produced biological life and thus "lives" plural) or to say it another way Adam became a partaker of the life of God and was called the "son of God" with mutable life sustained by union with God which was conditioned upon obedience.

In the Geneology of Christ given by Luke, Adam is called "the son of God" - "Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God." - Lk. 2:38 He is spirit begotton by God as God cannot beget material bodies.

He could not be a "son of God" due to material relationship unless you are a Mormon. The relationship had to be spiritual. Adam was created in spiritual union with God, whereas, Abel was procreated in physical union with Adam receiving a spirit separated from God due to Adam's sin. Adam's spirit was separated from God due to sin and being "alienated from the life of God" he died spiritually.

Remember, God did not breath life into fish, birds and mammals and bugs but just commanded the water and earth to bring them forth. So, what God imparted to man was not mere oxygen but as the words mean "inspirited" and "spirits". He was spirit begotten by God.

 

You argument is based on silence when all the evidence "walking" and talking audibly would indicate other wise.

However, if we go with your assumption then what does that prove or disprove? It does not disprove what they heard was audible to their external ears. It does not disprove there was actual conversation, confrontation, and judgement as well as redemptive provisions made.

However, if there was no visible manifestation then tell me why were the hiding in the trees from an invisible presence????

 

If no visible presence then why hide in the trees from an invisible presence? There are too many stated details (walking, talking, hiding) to assume it was not a visible presence. Your argument is based on silence .