Among the non Calvinist men that I appreciate he ranks up there. He has a rich understanding of the gospel and evangelism and why his church uses The Way of the Master in their evangelism philosophy. While I disagree with some of his views as he teaches a non Lordship view, among other differences I appreciate him because of his rich understanding of the gospel minus his differences with Lordship theology. But then again I do not understand why his church would use WOTM in their evangelism training.
Once I was hanging with some seeker types and listening to their fluff from a seeker type book. I recommended they read a Charles Stanley book on success instead of their worldly nonsense. Not sure if they took my challenge. If you appreciate Dr. stanley please post.
Charles Stanley
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by evangelist6589, Sep 10, 2015.
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evangelist6589 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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blessedwife318 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
He may be a great speaker but he is not qualified to be a pastor per 1 Tim. since he got divorced while pastoring. The fact that he went back on his word about this issue is also problematic.
Also he denies sola scriptural when he talks about hearing directly from God about his calling, ignoring what Scripture has plainly said about the issue.
"God said you keep doing what I called you to until I tell you to do something else," he says today. "I got that straight from the Lord. ... I was simply obeying God."
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So what you are saying is that ANY single man, may not be a pastor - ie he cannot be a pastor until he gets married? -
blessedwife318 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
"This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop, he desires a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?) ; not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil."
Although given that he never remarried he still technically is the husband of one wife but he does not fit the other qualifications listed in 1 Tim. -
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blessedwife318 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
If you want to hear from God, read the Bible, if you want to hear from God audibly, read the Bible out loud. -
This picture was given to him by his church, never has made me comfortable since I first saw it in the CNN article you posted. -
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This is just my personal opinion, but I have heard people say that they would never be a member of a church whose pastor is single.
I asked one of these people why they'd felt this way, and all he said was that he's never found anything in the NT that leads him to believe that it's scriptural for a single man to pastor a church.
I felt like asking him to show me where the NT states that it's wrong for a single man to pastor a church, but having known this person to be very difficult in changing his mind about anything, I knew that in this case it'd just be a waste of time.
OTOH, I would like to read other's opinions on this matter.
To me, saying that a single man absolutely cannot ever hold some form of pastoral position in a church seems to be a rather arrogant position to take.
After all, Jesus Christ, the founder of the NT churches, wasn't married while He was here on earth, so why then is it almost considered by some people to be a sin for a single man to assume any sort of pastoral position in a church?
Then there's Timothy. In 1 Timothy 4:14 we read that he was ordained by an ordination council not to "neglect the spiritual gift you received ..... when the elders of the church laid hands on you."
There's even some question by some scholars as to the Apostle Paul's marital status. Some say that he was married, but, for some reason chose to leave his wife behind while doing the work of an apostle.
Personally I find that position quite strange since in I Corinthians 7 he seems quite adamant that a married man ought not to leave his wife for any extended period of time--of which most of his missionary trips were of rather extended periods of time.
At any rate, I would love to read what others believe about having a single person filling some kind of pastoral position in a church. -
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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evangelist6589 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
And what are you? -
Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Prettrib premillennial but what does that have to do with it? Do you know what Millennial Exclusion is?
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This thread seem about 3 topics, (1) If a person, post conversion divorces, is he disqualified permanently or for several years from engaging in ministry. I think the person should consider themselves disqualified for at least 3 years, and then be fully in repentance for their behaviors that caused their holy marriage to fail.
(2) Should a single person be allowed to pastor, including families. I think yes, as Paul seemed to advocate full dedication to the ministry, if able to control one's lusts. (Both single and married men have failed numerous times in this regard.)
(3) Do I appreciate Dr. Stanley. Nope -
evangelist6589 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
I looked it up. Hmm interesting. Perhaps I need to reread Eternal Security. I did not agree solely with the book in matters of Lordship Salvation, but I was unaware of this other topic. -
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While I do not make a special effort to listen to him, nor read his books, again I can appreciate the ministry he has to a specific audience. He will appeal to people that other preachers may not.
The only negative issue I have heard is that he embraces Millennial Exclusion, but I have not seen any real evidence of that.
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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But I still see Stanley as a solid teacher for the most part, and would love to have the chance to discuss that issue with him, to see why he might embrace such nonsense.
God bless.
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