Amazing, yet how Catholics worship IS of concern to you? C'mon, that doesn't make any sense. </font>[/QUOTE]Charismatics are not normally televised globally as "mainstream" Catholics are in prime time. Perhaps if they were I would have made observations regarding their worship too!
Christmas Mass in Rome
Discussion in 'Free-For-All Archives' started by Yelsew, Dec 25, 2003.
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"If they believe that Jesus is the Son of God the Messiah, it does not concern me how they worship him, that's between them and the object of their worship."
Catholics believe that Jesus is the Son of God the Messiah, but you ARE concerned how we worship Him; you do not leave it to us and the object of our worship. You ARE having a double standard, and you cannot deny that unless you retract what you wrote. -
A history lesson:
When the Reformation was in full swing Austria seriously considered joining the Protestant side of things.
Instead of the usual "let's kill eachother in the streets" approach to religious debating that was the standard in those days, it was a struggle of he who can convert the most people to his form of Christianity wins.
The Jesuits vs. the assorted Protestant ministers.
both sides had more or less the same amount of funds.
The Jesuits needed to waste (?) a large amount of their funding on opulent churches filled with very expensive artwork (make no mistake Barok artwork does not come cheap).
Such was the price for their approach.
Nonetheless Austria is nowadays a RC country.
You see, the Reformed side was spending money like water on salaries.
Celibate employees are a lot cheaper. So the Jesuits outnumbered their Protestant counterparts 4 to 1. -
"If they believe that Jesus is the Son of God the Messiah, it does not concern me how they worship him, that's between them and the object of their worship."
Catholics believe that Jesus is the Son of God the Messiah, but you ARE concerned how we worship Him; you do not leave it to us and the object of our worship. You ARE having a double standard, and you cannot deny that unless you retract what you wrote. </font>[/QUOTE]Clearly you overlooked the words in a couple of my posts that stated that "I observed" those things. I commented on my observations. Do you think that I can change anything associated with the Roman church by making my observations known? -
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"Clever,"
I was going for entertaining myself. :D
"but historical accuracy is not your forte! "
What may I ask was inaccurate about my little tale?
By the way, is your health improving? -
If a very important person were coming to your house for a celebration, Would you break out the paper plates, plastic forks and wear your shabbiest, rattiest clothes for the occasion?
Neither would we. -
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Yelsew
"How kind of you to ask. "
My mother tried very hard to raise a polite, considerate daughter. Apparently it didn't fail completely. ;)
You did quote my whole post, but you didn't answer both questions. -
Mioque:
The Catholic celibate clergy waste (?) money on things like building churches that last generations, and stained glass windows that teach the gospel in pictures. The denominations that are spending so much on large salaries are not planning very well for the future. It’s short sighted. Having a lot of kids help the church to grow too. They are the future.
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In defense of Presbyterianism.
The moment you realize that: "It is cheaper" is one of the big reasons for widespread celibacy in the Roman Catholic Church it starts to look less like glorious theology and more like penny pinching frugality. -
Carson Weber <img src="http://www.boerne.com/temp/bb_pic2.jpg">
The Jesuits needed to waste (?) a large amount of their funding on opulent churches filled with very expensive artwork
Since when was giving glory to God a waste? Isn't that the very telos of created being? -
The Catholic church uses imagery for human purposes ONLY, and NOT for honoring deity. Show me even one scripture where God is impressed with man's things! How about one where God stops to admire the handiwork of man? Show me one where God encourages man to make statues of him, or his Apostles. Tell us where Jesus said to keep him on the cross for 2000 years! The protestant crosses are all empty! The Catholic Crosses are all occupied.
Come on Carson, Think things through! Don't continue to fall for the lies! -
Greetings,
The Band euipment at the Non-denom baptist style church next door cost more than All the chalices in our local church. Not to mention the Special lighting equipment, spot lights, special effects(aftificial fog,etc) equipment. The Cost to gift an experience to the people in A LOT MORE than catholics are paying for their elements for worship.
Also, We have a large cathedral. It is filled with Art(All around the Beatitudes). All Stone. It was build in the 1870s. With all its Marble and all, it cost $35,000 in its day. Now if we spread that cost over 130 years, and divide by the millions of worshippers, I would say they made a pretty good deal. You see Catholics build for centuries because we expect our faith to be hear for longer than 20 years. If you put up a pole building for a worship space it says two things: That you care less for God than the bank cares for its money(banks build in stone), AND you don't expect your church to last beyond one generation.
People Complain about St. Peters, but remember, that church is 500 years old. That is a pretty good deal over time. In france All the cathedrals are are 700 years old or more.
just some thoughts
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Careful, your bias is showing. -
TP
They've got artificial fog?! :eek:
We've got 1 keyboard.
"Show me even one scripture where God is impressed with man's things!"
The tower of Bable? He wasn't pleased, but humanity actually had Him worried for a moment. -
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Careful, your bias is showing. </font>[/QUOTE]I am under the impression that the post that introduced "charismatics" was dealing with Catholics. So it seems that your bias against "charismatic Catholics" has blinded you.
My Observation of the Christmas Mass dealt with the obvious opulence on display and the choreography of the program, All intended to convey some message other than the one that I received. What I received was a demonstration of religiosity uncharacteristic of the biblical depictions of events surrounding the birth of Jesus, the Christ! Hense my comments! -
Yelsew:
How does your home assembly handle this commission by Jesus Christ? :
"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Matthew 28:19-20 -
TP,
Your last post is well thought out and received in the spirit intended. You make excellent points to ponder, and I shall.
As for building less than permanent structures,
Additionally, It is the Word of God that lasts forever. There is no scripture to support investment in permanent earth-based things, but instead we are to lay up our treasures in Heaven. Nowhere in Scriptures do we find St. Peter's Basilica. God is fully capable of speaking into existance whatever grand and glorious edifices He desires for our worship of Him.
So, I believe my comments are valid regarding the church that claims it hold a corner on humility! It seems to be mere vanity on display!
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