If the Spirit didn't "CONVICT/CONVINCE" YOU of your sins, and YOU "REPENTED", and "ASK" Jesus to save you,
You've never been saved
I'd like to know how a person can be saved and not know how it happened???????????
Many are called, the "SEED" is sowed "everywhere", but "few are chosen",
where the seed lands, "Rocks, Thorns, good ground", determine if the seed grows or not,
no effectual calling places the blame on the "SEED" being faultly for not growing.
Why am I not surprised you don't understand the parables???
It does if they are all guilty of the same crime (sin) and an offer been made to pay all the "fines".
God's no respecter of persons, we're all sinners, the pardon is offer to "ALL". (none perish)
Yep, that's why Jesus died for the sins of the "Whole world", so the "Whole world".. MIGHT BE.. saved.
When God gave the law, he become "obligated" to abide by the law, Jesus ask for a "reprieve" from the law of death for sin, but God wouldn't grant it to him.
Mt 26:39 O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me:
You really do have a lot to learn about "law".
You forgot the third option, man's "ignorant/misinterpretation" of scripture.
It doesn't work like that, you have to have "FAITH", "BELIEVE", in Jesus before God will save,
"BELIEF/UNBELIEF" will be the Justifing/condemning charges in Judgment,
"Belief", the fines been paid, "Unbelief", the fine is still owe.
Yep, that's the Debate in a "Nutshell", being "good" doesn't pay the "wages of sin", only death satisfies the requirements of the "law", being "good", keeping all the commandments, won't save.
Ro 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon
all men to condemnation;
even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon
all men unto justification
of life.
How many were made sinner, how many is the free gift offer too??
Your "rose color glasses" are affecting your "reading comprehension"???
Do you have the "option" to believe, not believe what I post here, don't all people, so what makes you think no one has the "option" to believe, not believe the gospel when they hear it???
Now do you understand why, "Many are called, few are chosen"??
What was the significant of Jesus spending "two days" with the "woman at the well"??
BTW, that's a simple question.
Heb 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Is it possible that you might still be a "milk drinker", not as "wise" as you profess???
:eek: :D
confused about Calvin
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Ro 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon
all men to condemnation;
even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon
all men unto justification
of life.
How many were made sinner, how many is the free gift offer too??
Are you debating me or the scriptures??
"ALL" is still "ALL", no matter how you "Slice it".
I did not write the above,
"believe it or not".
Your "rose color glasses" are also affecting your "reading comprehension"??? :D -
My post: Pervertion of scripture pure preversion. No offer was made to pay but paid in fall it was. Show me where I am promised that Jesus will die for my sins if I accept the offer.
Your reply is nothing to do with the point is it? Why make a point as a reply if the point is not the point? You are a deceiver.
How much does my daughter's fetus know about his salvation due to his grandfathers faith? (I lived to see my first grandchild and I have his scan on my desktop and I am overjoyed.)
This is why Mr Calvin believed all the saints offspring must be baptised, they are members of the body of Christ. Not might be, not will be but are members of the Body. :cool:
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You've never been saved</font>[/QUOTE] That is NOT a matter of debate. God has prescribed the method used for salvation. We are saved by GRACE through faith.
The question isn't if repentance and belief are necessary. The question is why do some say yes while others continue on the road to destruction... whether they've ever heard the gospel or not.
I say that those who say yes do so because God elected them then in time freed them through the miracle of spiritual resurrection/regeneration.
You apparently believe that they do so because they are somehow wiser or smarter than those who didn't accept Christ. But again, this view simply doesn't account for scripture. It contradicts the scripturally described condition of man and has no answer for why God rightly condemns those who didn't get their "equal opportunity" to believe.
I won't debate theology with people who don't believe the gospel... and the gospel includes the condemnation of man.
God is not a respector of persons. That's true. However if He waited on that person to demonstrate that the were good and wise enough to believe then that would make Him a respector of persons. Their salvation would be according to their own merit and not according to His grace.
It is the law of "ME" that you are trying to apply here... not the Law of God.
You have made God's plan and sovereignty the slave to man's goodness.
all men to condemnation;
even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon
all men unto justification
of life.
How many were made sinner, how many is the free gift offer too??</font>[/QUOTE] All you have done here is show your willingness to strip scripture out of the context of the whole of scripture. The result is that you make scripture conflict with scripture rather than accepting what both scriptures say and adjusting your beliefs accordingly.
Once again, if your argument has any merit then it teaches universalism. However, if you recognize that the free gift is not applied to "all men" then you still have to answer the question why some do and some don't...
Your answer is man's goodness determines it. My answer is that God's goodness determines it.
All sinful, carnal, dead in sin men reject the gospel when they hear it. That's their nature. The freely do so. God doesn't "force" them to... they want to.
OTOH, choosing the "option" to believe is contingent upon God first changing one's nature from death to life.
The funny thing is that you seem to instinctively know that your answers will not hold up to scripture or scrutiny... but rather than change them you attack me, Johnp, Calvin, or evade hard questions or provide arguments that result in interpretations that conflict with direct scriptural statements. Not surprisingly, you also find it necessary to change the meanings of words.
Not using an alternate legitimate meaning as in the fact that "world" or "all" does not always mean every individual specifically. You claim that "chosen" actually means you chose.
I think the latter is more likely since a) scripture led me away from your position, b) my arguments are consistent with the various relevant scriptures and I am willing to change if shown they are not as opposed to you who creates contradictions between scriptures by your interpretations, c) your use of straw men arguments and persistent attempts to tell us what we believe, d) your misuse of scripture, e) your denial of the meanings of words when convenient, f) your disrespect for the sovereignty of God, and g) your elevation and exaltation of man... even giving him credit for the decisive act that saves him. -
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Thanks!
Bro. David
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