Hey Thomas15, we get it, you do not think the Reformed version of Covenant Theology is valid or has actual support in scripture. Fine, me too. But "taint so" posts without acknowledging and addressing what others see in scripture, i.e. a plan of redemption formulated before creation, does not cut the mustard. We cannot abandon truth to win arguments, otherwise we become like the guy that said scripture was silent on a plan of redemption before creation.
Covenant Theology
Discussion in 'Fundamental Baptist Forum' started by Van, Aug 25, 2012.
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Thomas,
before the printing press...not many people had access to scripture to do the kind of study that puts it together. Thats why it traces mostly back to that time..... -
Lets throw this against the wall and see what sticks:
1) Plan of Redemption formulated before creation or Covenant of Redemption formulated before creation.
2) Dispensation of Innocence or how God dealt with Adam and Eve before the Fall versus Covenant of Works.
3) Dispensation of Conscience or how God dealt with mankind from the Fall to Abraham versus Covenant of Grace part "A".
4) Dispensation of the Promise or how God is dealing with Mankind from Abraham to the Return of Christ versus Covenant of Grace part "B."
4a) Abraham to Moses - Patriarchal Rule
4b) Moses to Christ - Mosaic Law
4c) Christ to Christ - Dispensation of Grace
5) Millennial Kingdom on Earth versus Covenant of Grace part "C."
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I say that they are not. I happen to be a dispensationalist because I believe that that school is the most biblical of the various offerings. But it isn't an either/or (covenant/dispensationalist) situation. -
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Sorry if that offends but that is the way it is. -
Sorry if that offends but truth matters. -
That God, who is all knowing and has a divine prespective on history, certainly had/has a plan of salvation. The problem is, and you refuse to see this, is that having a plan is not the same as cutting a covenant of redemption between Jehovah and some other party. -
Wait a minute, did you finally acknowledge God had a plan of redemption before creation that included the Word as the Lamb of God?
We are on page 9 and I still have not seen anything to demonstrate your ability to admit to this scriptural truth.
Next, the agreement would be between God the Father, who sent the Son, and God the Son who became flesh to die for the whole world which means He accepted His role in Yahweh's plan of redemption. If you do not want to all this a "Covenant" fine, how about an agreement? -
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So jesus ALWAYS was to be the Lamb of God, so being eternally 'chosen" , hard to see it as a time when he was not to be the messiah!
that is the problem with this type of OP, as you are thinking in a lineal time frame, while ALL of this was ALWAYS the Sovereign Will and plan of God! -
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Hi Yeshua1, yes I know you think you can add to the bible and just make stuff up. You do it in many of your posts. However, for you to rewrite the bible by redefining the meaning of words puts you under the the threat of Revelation 22:19. A person becomes chosen when they go from being unchosen to being chosen. Otherwise the word has no meaning. You are taking away words from scripture found in Revelation.
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Hi Thomas15, I think you realize God formulated a plan of Redemption that included actions by the Father, by the Son and by the Holy Spirit. Jesus said not my will but yours, indicating Jesus was willing to do what the Father commanded. A rose by any other name would smell as sweet...
Why deny a basic truth of scripture? Where Reformed Theology goes off the rails is in how they understand the plan, rather than being mistaken there was a plan. This is not rocket science. -
God had always had the ordained purpiose of the Cross to come to redeem those saved by him...
The father chose us in jesus before even the foundation of the World, and the Holy Spirit enables those chosen out to be enabled to turn to jesus and be saved!Click to expand... -
Words to redefine, chosen means never chosen, decree means never decreed, ordained means never ordained. After means before but before cannot mean after. Regenerated means born again, but born again cannot mean regenerated. On and on it goes, Calvinism's wholesale attack on word meanings, and Yeshua1 leads the charge.
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Van said: ↑Words to redefine, chosen means never chosen, decree means never decreed, ordained means never ordained. After means before but before cannot mean after. Regenerated means born again, but born again cannot mean regenerated. On and on it goes, Calvinism's wholesale attack on word meanings, and Yeshua1 leads the charge.Click to expand...
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