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Featured Deadly free-will choices from the Garden until right now

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Samuels, Jan 28, 2017.

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  1. MennoSota

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    If all men are chosen, then no one goes to hell. Except, nowhere in the Bible does God say that all are chosen.
    You are making up a gospel not taught in the Bible. You continually twist the facts and state something other than what the text actually says. You have to do that in order to make your false gospel work for you.
     
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    The New Living Translation used translators from a variety of denominations. The method combined an attempt to translate the original texts simply and literally with a dynamic equivalence synergy approach used to convey the thoughts behind the text where a literal translation may have been difficult to understand or even misleading to modern readers. It has been suggested that this "thought-for-thought" methodology, while making the translation easier to understand, is less accurate than a literal (formal equivalence) method, and thus the New Living Translation may not be suitable for those wishing to undertake detailed study of the Bible.[4]
     
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    Who is the author writing to? Is he addressing all of the world or Christians?
    Hint...the all is not universal.

    For example, when you are addressing your friends you may say, "All of you are invited to the party." Does that mean that the entire world is invited or just your friends?

    Hint...the all isn't universal.

    Drop mic, walk off stage...
     
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    No...you just don't get it! God has saved all men from "the curse of the law" in Christ, but God will not force that salvation obtain for all men on the unbeliever.
     
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    LOL, you hide when confronted with God's word. Every translation supports my position because it's God's word.
    You are making excuses for your false views.
     
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    He is writing to believers who have received Christ....
     
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    You teach salvation by works, not by grace. You teach a false gospel.
     
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    Taken out of context your theology seems right. The problem is Calvin, and by default you, have lifted this out of context in order to build your doctrine of "the elect".

    Jump back to verse 8:

    "It is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring"

    "Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham" Gal 3:7...18 For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise."

    Now turn two verses back to Romans 9:16

    "It (salvation) does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy."

    Isn't this what Paul said in Eph 2:4,5?

    "God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved."

    So then, when Paul states, "Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden"( Rom 9:18) the immediate context suggests that God has one way of saving mankind and that is through a promise made effective "in Christ".

    God has mercy on those who receive Christ through faith. God does not have to have mercy on those who insist on meriting salvation. God, however, is persistent and He will send His Spirit to work on the hearts and minds of those caught up in salvation by works. By persisting they become more hardened until at last they are fully hardened.
     
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    God commands everyone in the world not to sin. Ergo wants all in heaven.

    Hint: its universal.
     
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    Please, let's end this business right now of saying what the RCC has declared or not declared.
    This insults anyone who understands the historical record,
    which reveals exactly who and what the RCC has always been.
    And it ain't in the least bit pretty ... extremely ugly, in fact.
    Withholding the Scriptures from the masses.
    Killing everyone who won't submit to their doctrines.
    THE most incredible deception in the history of mankind ...
    that the RCC is Christian in any way (except the Trinity is part of their doctrine).
     
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    Better get this 2-cents-worth in before the thread gets moth-balled.

    Some men are enabled to believe (initially) …
    but they can choose (later) to NOT believe with real saving belief-faith.
    One proof of this: disobedience proves their actual unbelief (Hebrews 3:17-19),
    i.e. disobedience to the Ten Commandments, and/or to Jesus’ commandments.
     
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    You are changing the issue, Samuels. As the OP, you wanted to discuss free-will vs election.
    Augustine, a member and prominent leader in the Roman church did a great job in presenting the sovereignty of God in salvation. Pelagian, a free-will advocate, was rightfully declared a heretic for his non biblical views on salvation.
    Certainly the Roman church has gone down non biblical pathways that cannot be promoted by those influenced by the Reformation, but on the issue of God's sovereign election, Augustine was right on and in alignment with God's word. It was Pelagian who was far astray and promoting works salvation.
     
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    I find Hebrews to be an excellent book regarding election. When you take the time to study it you realize that the author is never presenting a loss of salvation teaching and never presents a human choice of salvation.
     
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    The ones who did receive him were His elect in Christ....
    They confirmed that God salvation was at work and completed on heir behalf...
     
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    He holds to a barthian type view that all are reconciled back to God thru death of Christ, and only those who freely reject Jesus loe tha salvation!
     
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    ALL those are savd by Frace of God stay saved by power of God?
     
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    Unfortunately for him, he cannot support it biblically.
     
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    That's not what it states. Honesty is a christian virture. If you are elected perhaps you shouln't be practicing dishonesty.
     
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    keep repeating that lie until you convince all who are reading here
     
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    Meaning you have no free will. Condense
     
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