Decorated WW2 vet--persecuted by homeowners assoc

[Johnv]

You know what? The most highly-decorated WW2 vet alive ought to get some leeway.

Fine. Let him apply for a variance. If it's not granted, then he needs to accept it, and fly a flag like everyone else in the complex.

From what I've seen of Homeowner Associations, they are usually comprised of folks who have never had leadership roles before...and thus are infatuated with the concept of power.

So you're making a broadbrush against this particular assocation with no knowlege of that whatsoever? Seems rather inappropriately judgemental here.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,579773,00.html


From Ace of Spades....

"There's nothing quite so petty as picking a fight with an elderly war hero..."

 

[carpro]

It was pretty much a foregone conclusion that the martinets that run the HOA would have to back down. :applause:

It's just unfortunate they were too stupid to keep their mouths shut in the first place.

Now, lacking common sense, they are objects of ridicule and disgust.

The Association members should call for the resignation of all board members involved in this fiasco. They simply lack good judgement and don't need to be in charge of cleaning toilets.

 

[Johnv]

Just wait until someone else in that same community erects a flagpole with a nazi flag, or a palestinian flag. You'll see people insisting that it be taken down, citing the same rules.

 

[carpro]

Just wait until someone else in that same community erects a flagpole with a nazi flag, or a palestinian flag. You'll see people insisting that it be taken down, citing the same rules.

:laugh: Remember!

It's not the flag, it's the pole.

 

[Johnv]

:laugh: Remember!

It's not the flag, it's the pole.

Uh, if you took the time to be objective and not insulting, you'd see that this is actually correct. The problem wasn't the flag, it was the ground-mounted pole. Residents are permitted to fly flags and banners on standard wall-mounted poles. This guy didn't want to fly his flag on a wall mounted pole like everyone else, he wanted to fly his flag on a ground mounted poll.

Apparantly, you lack the maturity to understand that.

 

[carpro]

Uh, if you took the time to be objective and not insulting, you'd see that this is actually correct.

Then why would you think the flag flown would matter? Grow up , John. You act like a petulant child that has lost his first ballgame and doesn't know how to handle it.

Actually, the writers of the rules left themselves open to this kind of action by trying to be cute and using a subjective standard like aesthically pleasing. This was bound to happen. It will happen again over something else.

As to the subject of flags, since that concerns you so much, it is easily regulated by simply listing the flags that will be allowed and the number. I suggest they not get cute with the wording or they'll end up in the same box they put themselves in this time.

 

[Johnv]

Then why would you think the flag flown would matter?

Clear evidence that discernment is absent from you. Look at this thread as a whole. People have been making the flag (not the pole) the issue. If it were a nazi flag or palestinian flag, those same people would be the first to say "the flag shouldn't be flown because the assocation doesn't allow ground mounted flagpoles".

Grow up , John. You act like a petulant child that has lost his first ballgame and doesn't know how to handle it.

Hahah! The whining is yours and yours alone. Given that you haven't demonstrated any maturity to comprehend the difference between the flag and the pole, the need to grow up lies squarely with you.

Actually, the writers of the rules left themselves open to this kind of action by trying to be cute and using a subjective standard like aesthically pleasing. This was bound to happen. It will happen again over something else.

Not so. The rules prohibit aesthetic structures as a whole.

As to the subject of flags, since that concerns you so much....

The flag doesn't concern me at all. Never once said it did. Like I said, residents are already permitted to fly flags and banners from wall-mounted polls. But to others in this thread, it was all about the flag itself. If this were a flag which those people objected to, such as a palestinian flag, I guarantee you those same people would be saying the owner should nto be allowed to have the pole.

 

[carpro]

Know it alls never quit when the game is over.

And it's over.

 

[Johnv]

Know it alls never quit when the game is over.

More infantile blather from an immature argument. Don't forget to pick up your lollipop on the way out.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Just wait until someone else in that same community erects a flagpole with a nazi flag, or a palestinian flag. You'll see people insisting that it be taken down, citing the same rules.

This is about the stupidest thing I have read in a long time.....

How many highly decorated Nazi or PA war heros do you think live in America ?

 

[Johnv]

How many highly decorated Nazi or PA war heros do you think live in America ?

So, then, it IS about the flag for you, and not about the pole itself.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

It's about small, insignificant issues that should make people ashamed to speak out. It's about people who have absolutely no idea what this guy went thru trying to make him behave.

I stand by what I said. I salute this hero. He has earned his flag, and his pole.

 

[ReformedBaptist]

As a board member of our HOA and President of it, I would have fought tooth and nail against making this war hero taking down his flag.

 

[Johnv]

As a board member of our HOA and President of it, I would have fought tooth and nail against making this war hero taking down his flag.

Yet another confirmation that folks made it about the flag, despite claims to the contrary.

It's about small, insignificant issues that should make people ashamed to speak out.

Yes, it IS a small, insignificant issue. Whether the HOA required him to fly a flag on a wall mounted pole, or gave him a variance to fly a flag on a ground mounted pole, this issue should never have made the news, and should not have been made an issue by a member of congress.

I stand by what I said. I salute this hero. He has earned his flag, and his pole.

Again, someone affirming that it was about the flag, despite claims otherwise.

 

[carpro]

As a board member of our HOA and President of it, I would have fought tooth and nail against making this war hero taking down his flag.

Good judgement was sadly lacking on the board of the subject HOA. One person like you on that board might have made a big difference.

The entire board should be forced to resign or voted out.

 

[Johnv]

The entire board should be forced to resign or voted out.

Why? This isn't a moral issue. How is it in any way wrong to require a resident in a private community to fly his flag in accordance with the regulations? What's wrong with requiring him to fly a flag on a wall mounted pole just like everyone else?

 

[Salty]

I say follow the rules. When this vet was on active duty he was required to follow Army Regulations. I am sure when he was a commander of companies and battalions, he insisted that his soldiers obey his orders.

Now, what I suggest he do is to run for the HOA board and then change the rules.

I realize the Col is a war hero as well as a MOH. Our country has fought for democracy. If the HOA wants to prohibit flagpoles (by majority vote) then so be it. Keep in mind the the HOA is prohibited from denying his right to fly his flag - ie draped from his house, or from a small pole attached to his home. Residents moved into that subdivision because they wanted rules to maintain a certain level of standards. The Colonel knew this and now should abide.

Personally, I would never live in a gated community, as I would not like all the rules. But I will fight the fight for those who desire to live in such a community.

Remember, the Colonel has the opportunity to move if he so desires, unlike the enlisted troops who served under his commands.

Sgt Salty

ps would you all demand the right for someone to fly the Confederate Flag if they so choosed?

 

[targus]

An issue that seems to be unsaid is that Homeowners Associations are subject to contract law.

The homeowners purchased their homes with the understanding that there were certain association rules in place which for the most part are meant to protect the value of the homes.

There are also procedures in place both for changing the association rules and for electing new board members.

There should be no need for all this emotion.

In theory it is a simple matter of calling the meetings, making the motions, and holding the votes as outlined in the bylaws.

Why is that not being done in this case?

Could it be that the majority of the other homeowners - who also have rights - are not in favor of this flag pole?

Just ignoring the association rules and allowing this flag pole could result in a law suit by some other homeowner for breach of contract and the association could be held liable.

 

[Johnv]

ps would you all demand the right for someone to fly the Confederate Flag if they so choosed?

Of the Palestinian flag, or a Nazi flag, or communist Vietnam flag?