Deeds or Creeds

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  1. Rebel1 Active Member

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    Well, if that's all you got out of everything I wrote, I don't think you have completely understood.
     
  2. Rebel1 Active Member

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    I am passionate about doctrine. But I also know the Greatest Commandment doesn't have "and make sure your doctrine is all correct" added onto it.
     
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    The Greatest Commandment IS doctrine. Can you appreciate that?

    Furthermore, to love God, you must do so with your mind as well as the rest of you.
     
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    I have no problem with what you have said. I don't know why you can't understand where I'm coming from.
     
  5. Reformed Well-Known Member
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    Your words were not clear nor precise. When discussing theology both are necessary.
     
  6. Earth Wind and Fire Well-Known Member
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    Is he referring to hypocrites?
    OK then, who is Jesus and what does he want from you?
     
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    Answers to those two questions have filled entire libraries with books, caused the bloodshed of millions, and turmoil the world around, and you want me to answer them in a meaningful way in an online forum???
     
  8. Earth Wind and Fire Well-Known Member
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    I don’t give a fig what others think and how they answer.... I want to know what you think because that will in effect color your entire world view .

    Yes I know that Jesus was God & Man, Sinless, a sacrifice to many but what do you feel was his (forgive my discription) His inner Zen. Then what about this death business, why...why die when you know mankind is incapable of sharing a sinless state in life... does it have a purpose unto this life and the next.

    These are the kind of questions that will define you... your depth of curiosity and eventual growth.... not debate on Calvin / Arminian.

    I once had an old priest who would say, that’s the flesh and blood stuff.... so bro, flesh it out!:Wink
     
  9. utilyan Well-Known Member
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    LOL. Show me a holiness of God that is not Love.

    There is going to be more raging and gnashing of teeth over who he will save from people who expect LESS love from an evil god.
     
  10. Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
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    God is a God of Love AND wrath, correct?
     
  11. Earth Wind and Fire Well-Known Member
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    New Testiment or Old one?
     
  12. Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
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    Same God in either One!
     
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    Theological error is sin.
     
  14. utilyan Well-Known Member
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    There is no wrath greater then Love.

    The whole world can torture you, with fire, suffering and pain.

    But then let it happen to someone you actually care about, You would switch places with them if you were allowed so.

    To be willing to march into hell for a heavenly cause, makes all things subordinate to Love.

    1 Corinthians 13

    11When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things. 12For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known. 13But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the greatest of these is love.

    This is beyond the childish playground of who can beat who up and in the league of things that really count.
     
  15. Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
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    God is just to condemn those who are sinners rejecting Jesus to save them, correct?
     
  16. utilyan Well-Known Member
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    God doesn't condemn. You dig your own pit. The Gates of Hell is locked from the inside not the outside. Everything in hell doesn't want to come out. It wants to stay as far and separated from God as it can.

    17“For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
     
  17. Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
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    Keep reading, as it also states that those who reject Jesus stand already condemned!
     
  18. utilyan Well-Known Member
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    Yeah they do it themselves.

    Nothing in hell wants out of hell, it wants to be separated and far from God as possible.


    Details buddy. It doesn't say God condemns.

    Hell is an active sin against God, everything in it is sinning against God.
     
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    the Great White thrown is not Jesus judging and sending sinners to Hell?
     
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    Romans 1:18

    God's wrath against sin/ungodliness is because of His holy nature.